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That depends entirely on the person watching.
Canon wise he's no fan of the Tok'ra and I can't fault him for that either.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Even if I were still a shipper, I'd have to say that really didn't see anything in this phase of the series that pointed to any real romantic feelings between Jack and Sam. Anything I'd have ever taken as a hint of that came later in the series. It really bugs me when people take stuff from later seasons and try to project it backward in time to the first couple of seasons: "Oh, it was always there!" No, not really, it wasn't. Even if it did develop later on (which is itself open to debate, and please note that at one time I was in the 'shipper camp myself so I've actually argued both sides at different points in my own time as a fan) it wasn't there then.Sum, ergo scribo...
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Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View Post... and please note that at one time I was in the 'shipper camp myself so I've actually argued both sides at different points in my own time as a fan...Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostThat depends entirely on the person watching.
Canon wise he's no fan of the Tok'ra and I can't fault him for that either.
Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View PostEven if I were still a shipper, I'd have to say that really didn't see anything in this phase of the series that pointed to any real romantic feelings between Jack and Sam. Anything I'd have ever taken as a hint of that came later in the series. It really bugs me when people take stuff from later seasons and try to project it backward in time to the first couple of seasons: "Oh, it was always there!" No, not really, it wasn't. Even if it did develop later on (which is itself open to debate, and please note that at one time I was in the 'shipper camp myself so I've actually argued both sides at different points in my own time as a fan) it wasn't there then.sigpichttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/7450657...-World-Goes-On Sparky story SGA https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10177037/1/Bad-Moon-Rising Teen Wolf fanfic story https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10573271/1/Skyfall Thor fanfic story
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Originally posted by Sparky She-Demon View PostRight now, he's protective of her as under his purview of being her CO.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostCarter is very much capable of looking out for herself. Sure, he's her CO but she's a soldier just like him, smarter but still a soldier.sigpichttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/7450657...-World-Goes-On Sparky story SGA https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10177037/1/Bad-Moon-Rising Teen Wolf fanfic story https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10573271/1/Skyfall Thor fanfic story
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Originally posted by Sparky She-Demon View PostHe'd still not want anyone taking advantage of her.
This is Carter we're talking about. I pity any and all who try to take advantage of her, she'll kick them in the ... where it hurts. Or have you conveniently forgotten about Emancipation?Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostSeriously, are you seriously suggesting what I think you're suggesting? That she's some sort of damsel in distress who needs a male escort to protect her? Really?!
This is Carter we're talking about. I pity any and all who try to take advantage of her, she'll kick them in the ... where it hurts. Or have you conveniently forgotten about Emancipation?sigpichttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/7450657...-World-Goes-On Sparky story SGA https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10177037/1/Bad-Moon-Rising Teen Wolf fanfic story https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10573271/1/Skyfall Thor fanfic story
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I'm with Falcon Horus on this.
Sam doesn't need to be protected, and Jack bloody well knows it. I also think he knows she'd take offense at any suggestion of protectiveness from him. Even if the two of them were openly lovers, I'm pretty sure of two things: 1) that a major part of what would attract him to Sam would be the fact that she's completely capable of looking out for herself, and 2) that Sam is not the type of woman to look kindly upon expressions of jealousy and Jack is not only aware of this but also would appreciate the fact enough to avoid crossing that line.
Clarification of my history on the S/J issue (not that I think anyone is confused, but just in case): At one point I was a Sam/Jack shipper, albeit mildly so. Then after I thought about it a bit, and really delved into both of their psyches while exploring the characters for a fanfic I've not yet written, I came to the conclusion that neither one of them would've ever actively pursued a relationship with the other as long as both of them were still in uniform and attached to the same command. They're simply both too professional. Was there a potential for attraction? Certainly. Was there ever an active "crush" going on? Maybe. "A Hundred Days" hints at the possibility in Sam, although her work to retrieve Jack could just as easily be attributed to friendship and/or loyalty, or even to her drive to solve whatever new problem she's presented with. And various things that Jack has said throughout the series could indicate anything from a romantic attraction on his part to a stronger friendship bond than he'd ever expected to have with her or with any member of his team, given its potential to interfere with his ability to efficiently command said team. (Note that IMO there may be precedent in his life pre-Stargate for him to think that way.)
My further opinion: I think the show's writers went into completely unnecessary and contradictory territory by planting suggestions of romance between these two, as it's something that anyone who understands the military would find at odds with the other elements of the characters as presented. Also, because I am bothered by the thinly-veiled implication that it is impossible for a straight man and a straight woman to have a strong bond that isn't romantic. As a straight woman whose closest platonic friendships tend mostly to be with straight men, I take high exception to the insinuation that this type of friendships could not actually be presented as believable entities to an audience.Sum, ergo scribo...
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Okay. I don't want to start an argument.sigpichttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/7450657...-World-Goes-On Sparky story SGA https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10177037/1/Bad-Moon-Rising Teen Wolf fanfic story https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10573271/1/Skyfall Thor fanfic story
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I'm afraid it's too late for that, Sparky She-Demon. It's not an argument, it's a discussion with two sides...
A sidenote perhaps: I'm defending a character here - Carter in this case - that I don't favor for the biggest part of SG1's run. I don't hate her (except that small stint she was in Atlantis for) but I don't love her either.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Fair enough.sigpichttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/7450657...-World-Goes-On Sparky story SGA https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10177037/1/Bad-Moon-Rising Teen Wolf fanfic story https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10573271/1/Skyfall Thor fanfic story
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Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View PostAlso, because I am bothered by the thinly-veiled implication that it is impossible for a straight man and a straight woman to have a strong bond that isn't romantic. As a straight woman whose closest platonic friendships tend mostly to be with straight men, I take high exception to the insinuation that this type of friendships could not actually be presented as believable entities to an audience.Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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Originally posted by fems View PostYou do realize there were two other male teammates and tons of other men on base that Sam was friends with and never expressed any romantic feelings/attraction for, right?Sum, ergo scribo...
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