Well with season 8 it was cut off world missions and use more money to make atlantis pretty rather than sany writing decision.
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Originally posted by Mandysg1 View PostOne problem (yes just one for now) I saw with how they handled Jack not going off world, is that hardly any one else did either They kept the show earth bound with Jack, instead of showing the transition of the SG1 under the command of Sam. They should have had more team shows, with Jack's part being similar to Hammonds. Then you would have actually had a chance to see the team grow and people would get used to RDA's diminished role.
exactly!
and you know, rda make a comment in an interview about him wanting the writers to write jack as hammond. if they'd went the way you stated... oh, what a wonderful show we would have RIGHT NOW.
, with new-comer , as sam's 2IC. (mitchell would eventually become the leader of sg1, when sam/amanda moves on)
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Originally posted by Skydiver View Postyeah, that woulda helped. along with slowly integrating 'a new guy' into the position of #4.
the writers really needed to make that transition, but didn't and i think it just hurt the show.
why rob cooper decided to go in the direction he did for season 9 i'll never know. or like.
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Originally posted by ParadoxRealities View Postlack of forethought, lack of afterthought. lack of just about everything that worked for 8 years. funny that.
But For the most part. Though I think they were trying. Just not succeeding. That happens when you try to write/direct/produce 40 eps with a 20 ep stable of writers/directors/producers.
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Originally posted by Neorapsta View PostWell with season 8 it was cut off world missions and use more money to make atlantis pretty rather than sany writing decision.
That too.
Though S8 had really cool SFX heavy two-parters. But yes, too many bottle shows.
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Originally posted by majorsal View Postthe writers integrated jonas quinn just fine (to me). now, i wasn't grieving for daniel jackson, so i'm sure that's a huge factor in me not minding jonas being there, but i DO think the writers did a great job of adding another character without the character being given the show or giving the character the central point of view for the show.
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The other nice thing about Jonas was his interaction with the other team members, Teal'c finally found a voice, Jack retained his sarcasm with a hint of distrust and Sam was allowed to become more of a leader in the team and showed a more confident manner within the group.
With the new show, it tends to be mostly Cam/Vala with a hint of the others thrown in on the side - it's almost as if they don't know how to write the other characters anymore. Daniel is the straightman to Vala's comedic whims, Sam is no longer a leader, and often is not even an equal to Cam and Teal'c is often overshadowed by the two louder characters within the team - in fact it's often not a team, but merely some people occasionally thrown together.
I don't expect things to stay the same as they would then become boring and stale, however, it has been too much too soon and unfortunately it has been to the detriment of the show and the existing cast members.
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I think the key with Jonas coming to the show was tension. The tension between Jack, Sam and Teal'c about losing Daniel and suddenly having the new kid to help them. It gave a much more realistic theme to the situation.
When MS left it was obvious becuase he ascended instead of dying. I didn't know why he left or how long he would be gone but I didn't worry about it either. I did like Jonas..far more than Mitchell or Vala.
When RDA left they didn't explain where he went. Why all the changes happened and the whole senario was just too unreal to swallow. If you didn't go on the internet and read what was going on you just became lost. I had to explain what happened to RDA to hubby becuase he had no clue what was going on. If it wasn't for these websites...the veiwers were totally lost. I think Cooper and Wright banked on many fans being web savey. Ha, ha, ha...I can barley turn this computer on.
If Ben was intro-ed earlier that would have halp greatly. However, he was brought in with little back story and then giving poor Jack like lines. (Mini Jack to me). Vala took up whay too much of the first 6 episodes and Sam was never explained properly to the veiwers too. It was like an after thought, "Sam's in...um...Area 51."
The compound Mitchell with Vala and Daniel's so called sexual tension--that defintly lacked respect for one another and you get...Daniel and Vala Jackson's comedy hour.Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric.
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Originally posted by Jackie View PostI think the key with Jonas coming to the show was tension. The tension between Jack, Sam and Teal'c about losing Daniel and suddenly having the new kid to help them. It gave a much more realistic theme to the situation.
When MS left it was obvious becuase he ascended instead of dying. I didn't know why he left or how long he would be gone but I didn't worry about it either. I did like Jonas..far more than Mitchell or Vala.
When RDA left they didn't explain where he went. Why all the changes happened and the whole senario was just too unreal to swallow. If you didn't go on the internet and read what was going on you just became lost. I had to explain what happened to RDA to hubby becuase he had no clue what was going on. If it wasn't for these websites...the veiwers were totally lost. I think Cooper and Wright banked on many fans being web savey. Ha, ha, ha...I can barley turn this computer on.
If Ben was intro-ed earlier that would have halp greatly. However, he was brought in with little back story and then giving poor Jack like lines. (Mini Jack to me). Vala took up whay too much of the first 6 episodes and Sam was never explained properly to the veiwers too. It was like an after thought, "Sam's in...um...Area 51."
The compound Mitchell with Vala and Daniel's so called sexual tension--that defintly lacked respect for one another and you get...Daniel and Vala Jackson's comedy hour.Odo's last wishes: cremate me, put me in my bucket, then shoot me through the wormhole.
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Originally posted by Mandysg1 View PostOne problem (yes just one for now) I saw with how they handled Jack not going off world, is that hardly any one else did either They kept the show earth bound with Jack, instead of showing the transition of the SG1 under the command of Sam. They should have had more team shows, with Jack's part being similar to Hammonds. Then you would have actually had a chance to see the team grow and people would get used to RDA's diminished role.Originally posted by Skydiver View Postyeah, that woulda helped. along with slowly integrating 'a new guy' into the position of #4.
the writers really needed to make that transition, but didn't and i think it just hurt the show.
I also agree with Skydiver re. bringing Mitchell in as the fourth spot – though technically third in the credits and second in command on the team. For one thing, it would have meant that there weren’t nearly as many comparisons between Jack and Mitchell – and given that Jack has been around since the beginning, Mitchell is at a disadvantage for such comparisons. Landry would have taken on Jack’s old role as base commander and Mitchell would have been carving out a role of his own on the team, possibly rising to team leader a few seasons down the line.
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Originally posted by Rogue View PostAnd how many of the casual viewers knew that Sam's leave was only temporary? How many knew AT was just on maturnity leave and would be back. Nothing in the first few eps would lead anyone to believe she was comming back to the show. She was at Area 51, she had her reason for leaving, end of story. If I didn't visit GW, I wouldn't have known either.
That's a lot of change in a very short space of time.
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Originally posted by The Kit Kat Lady View PostWith the new show, it tends to be mostly Cam/Vala with a hint of the others thrown in on the side - it's almost as if they don't know how to write the other characters anymore. Daniel is the straightman to Vala's comedic whims, Sam is no longer a leader, and often is not even an equal to Cam and Teal'c is often overshadowed by the two louder characters within the team - in fact it's often not a team, but merely some people occasionally thrown together.
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Originally posted by Rogue View PostAnd how many of the casual viewers knew that Sam's leave was only temporary? How many knew AT was just on maturnity leave and would be back. Nothing in the first few eps would lead anyone to believe she was comming back to the show. She was at Area 51, she had her reason for leaving, end of story. If I didn't visit GW, I wouldn't have known either.
ssh, it's a sekret!!!!
here, watch these special effects and you'll never even notice that s/he's gone
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Originally posted by ReganX View PostI think you've just hit the nail on the head. SG-1 are people who work together and happen to wear the same uniform but it doesn't feel like a team anymore.
they're jsut a bunch of people that all work in the same place and wear the same uniform
In coop's obsession with all things Bori, he's kinda forgotten that the TEAM and these people are what were so popular for 6+ years. Not the stories, not the effects, the PEOPLE and their relationships with each other
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Ok I agree with the statement about the characters, but the special effects helped as well.
Sorry as much as I love the characters I'm a CGI buff as wellsigpic
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