How did the human expelled the Goa'uld?

[cb001]

But if I remember correctly, it was stated in some Episode, that before Earth rebeld against RA, rebelling was not even considered amongst the enslaved humans.

Its possible that they were afraid at first, to return to earth and later simply forgot about earth (battling each other, strengthening their armys and territories and so on)

[tommiekins]

I think back then the Goa'uld domain was very different, they may not have had as many threats on them because they didn't pose a huge threat to many other races at the time. The system Lords at that point may not have existed in the way they did in season 5 etc and the Goa'uld were more like minor waring fractions. Also the Goa'uld might not have been as evil back then as they are now as they had been using the Sarcophagi for less time. Also Naquadah isn't native to our solar system which is crucial for Goa'uld civilisations and they already had what they needed from Earth, lots of humans spread across the galaxies.

Also In Hathor, Ra apparently sent her to destroy humanity (I'm presuming this was humanity on Earth after the rebellion leading her to be trapped in the sarcophagus) but changed his mind forcing them to become enemies, maybe he had a reason for leaving Earth alone. But since he's dead, I guess we'll never know.

[Tok'Ra Hostess]

Wiping out Earth will prove that anyone who defy the God will have to submit their life. Their philosophy is almost similiar to Ori, if you dun bow before me, die .

Exactly. And there were tons of Goa'uld on Earth at various times before and after Ra's ousting, because Earth culture is where SG-1 gets all the backstory for all the mythologies on other planets.

In the movie, just who, exactly, wrote the story of Ra's failure to keep Earth under his domain? Not an illiterate slave, surely. How would a transplanted slave know what was going on back on Earth? No, it was more likely a Tok'Ra undercover agent in Ra's court - possibly assigned to oversee Abydos - who wrote what the Abydonians found in the cave.

Teal'c said, in one episode, that the Tauri gate address was well known among the system lords.

We know that the Ancients were on Earth, and that other aliens who fought the Goa'uld were too, such as the Asgard, the Tok'Ra and the Oannes. It makes more sense to me that some of these aliens, with their advanced tech and weapons, may have been secretly helping the stone and pitchfork wielding human natives in their revolt against the supremely fortified Ra and company.

Even if they still wanted to keep Earth as base for fresh slave stock, why didn't Ra at least bombard the area around the gate, get rid of the locals and provide a lesson for the other peoples around Egypt?

Who gave the humans the idea to put a coverstone inside the gate ring before burying it? What kind of protection might friendly aliens have provided against an assault from space?

It makes far more sense, to me, that aliens in the know and with fire power were involved in Earth's freedom, and then, not wanting to take the place of the Goa'uld, left the humans to govern themselves(kind of like what SGC does when they "liberate" a planet from the Goa'uld). But, human nature being what it is, Earth's story tellers bragged up their own achievements and neglected to mention that they had help.

[cb001]

After just remembering "Within the Serpents Grasp" and "Solitudes" I think I figured it out.

Teal'c stated that until then Ships would have needed about 100 years to reach Earth(with tech 5000 years more advanced than at the time of the rebellion)

So (assuming) Earth was at that time only accesible via Stargate-->

The Egyptian Gate was burried/disabled, and the Antarctica Gate was.. well in Antarctica (They had no Puddlejumpers or something alike, to check out other continents).
We have seen Jaffa in "Solitudes" which were most likley sent to look after Earth, and returned with the Information of Earth beeing a Ice desert.
(Maybe RA left some (Nuklear) Weapons behind with which mankind could have nuked itself into an Ice Age, and they simply assumed, Earth was uninhabitable.)

[Tok'Ra Hostess]

After just remembering "Within the Serpents Grasp" and "Solitudes" I think I figured it out.

Teal'c stated that until then Ships would have needed about 100 years to reach Earth(with tech 5000 years more advanced than at the time of the rebellion)

So (assuming) Earth was at that time only accesible via Stargate-->

The Egyptian Gate was burried/disabled, and the Antarctica Gate was.. well in Antarctica (They had no Puddlejumpers or something alike, to check out other continents).
We have seen Jaffa in "Solitudes" which were most likley sent to look after Earth, and returned with the Information of Earth beeing a Ice desert.
(Maybe RA left some (Nuklear) Weapons behind with which mankind could have nuked itself into an Ice Age, and they simply assumed, Earth was uninhabitable.)

Yeah, big plot hole, right there, or rather, inconsistent writing. Even the long-lived Goa'uld wouldn't spend 100 years in space doing nothing. (And what about the un-goa'ulded crew? Even if they started the voyage as infants - pretty impracticle - they'd still all be dead by the time the ship arrived at its destination. Even Jaffa have to switch larva every seven or so years.) With such long absenses the System Lords would never be able to keep dominion over their planets. Other Goa'uld would be constantly usurping them or the natives would be given time to advance and prosper on their own and to forget their "gods." It just doesn't make sense, to me.

Also, Osiris' ship, buried in the sands of Egypt, was at least 10,000 years buried, and she didn't seem to have any trouble zipping around the galaxy in good speed. (The Curse)

I just don't think Teal'c knew what he was talking about in Serpent's Grasp. Or, more correctly, the writers didn't.

[FallenAngelII]

Yes, Ra the God of Sun, as well as the SUPREME System Lord of the Goa'uld. What will you as a minor System Lord think if the SUPREME System Lord ass has been kicked by minor humans? We are talking about their position as God. The stake is high. They should'nt easily left Earth just like that after have their asses been kick.

They probably didn't care anymore. Only Egypt worshipped them, anyway, and they'd rebelled against them, making it clear they no longer wished to serve them.

And not all Goa'uld are stupid. Why waste perfectly good weapons wiping out a planet of morons who might become useful later (hey, Apophis knew our gate address!) just because they no longer follow you?

They had plenty of other planets to rule.

[cb001]

Also, Osiris' ship, buried in the sands of Egypt, was at least 10,000 years buried, and she didn't seem to have any trouble zipping around the galaxy in good speed. (The Curse)

Its just alike to what Teal'c stated in "The First Comandment": That the Goauld have Terraformed many worlds (what is pretty much possible), but most Worlds were Terraformed by the Dakara Device. Its just the usual inconsistencies in a 10-year running series.

And if Osiris would have needed 100+ years to get to another planet with a Staragate, Jackson would've not been able to free Sarah of Osirises control. Just usual inconsistencies (what is it called? Deus Ex Machina, if you are willing to accept impossible things just to have the Plot advance).

[Colonel Vincent MacLeod]

Exactly. And there were tons of Goa'uld on Earth at various times before and after Ra's ousting, because Earth culture is where SG-1 gets all the backstory for all the mythologies on other planets.

In the movie, just who, exactly, wrote the story of Ra's failure to keep Earth under his domain? Not an illiterate slave, surely. How would a transplanted slave know what was going on back on Earth? No, it was more likely a Tok'Ra undercover agent in Ra's court - possibly assigned to oversee Abydos - who wrote what the Abydonians found in the cave.

Teal'c said, in one episode, that the Tauri gate address was well known among the system lords.

We know that the Ancients were on Earth, and that other aliens who fought the Goa'uld were too, such as the Asgard, the Tok'Ra and the Oannes. It makes more sense to me that some of these aliens, with their advanced tech and weapons, may have been secretly helping the stone and pitchfork wielding human natives in their revolt against the supremely fortified Ra and company.

Even if they still wanted to keep Earth as base for fresh slave stock, why didn't Ra at least bombard the area around the gate, get rid of the locals and provide a lesson for the other peoples around Egypt?

Who gave the humans the idea to put a coverstone inside the gate ring before burying it? What kind of protection might friendly aliens have provided against an assault from space?

It makes far more sense, to me, that aliens in the know and with fire power were involved in Earth's freedom, and then, not wanting to take the place of the Goa'uld, left the humans to govern themselves(kind of like what SGC does when they "liberate" a planet from the Goa'uld). But, human nature being what it is, Earth's story tellers bragged up their own achievements and neglected to mention that they had help.

I think your theory is acceptable. When

Spoiler:

SG-1 return back to Eqypt 10,000 years ago in Moebius and helped the Tau'ri to rebel agaisnt the Goa'uld. SG-1 only helped the rebellion on the ground. Who knows if there is an unknown alien forces is attacking them else where which the writer did not mention? Maybe on the orbit there were star wars happening.

So far, there is some inconsistency on the story part. As all of you have said, the Goa'uld forces consist of 100 maybe thousands of mothership. But when 2 of Apophis Ha'tak were destoryed on Earth during Season 1, it effectively crippled his power. I don't know if during that time, they have less mothership or just the writer inconsistency.

[FallenAngelII]

Its just alike to what Teal'c stated in "The First Comandment": That the Goauld have Terraformed many worlds (what is pretty much possible), but most Worlds were Terraformed by the Dakara Device. Its just the usual inconsistencies in a 10-year running series.

And if Osiris would have needed 100+ years to get to another planet with a Staragate, Jackson would've not been able to free Sarah of Osirises control. Just usual inconsistencies (what is it called? Deus Ex Machina, if you are willing to accept impossible things just to have the Plot advance).

The Dakara device terraformed the Milky Way million of years ago. It's quite possible the Goa'uld have terraformed a lot of planets on their own or just claim that they have. Who are the Jaffa to question them?

About Osiris' ship: Was it ever stated his/her ship lacked a Hyperdrive?

[cb001]

The Dakara device terraformed the Milky Way million of years ago. It's quite possible the Goa'uld have terraformed a lot of planets on their own or just claim that they have. Who are the Jaffa to question them?

About Osiris' ship: Was it ever stated his/her ship lacked a Hyperdrive?

Of Course, it was stated at some point that the Goauld even built Stargates and seeded them on newfound/formed Planets. I just wanted to point out that the Goauld weren't all-powerfull, even at the top of their rulling. (Considering this is still about why the Goauld didnt come back to Earth)

It was never stated that Osirises ship lacked a Hyperspace engine, but it is pretty much supposed to have one, considering that Osirises Trip to the next Stargate with pre-S1-finale hyperdrives would have taken at least a few years.
So Plot Hole you could say

[knowles2]

Well Osirises did not need to have hyperdrive to get back to gould terrectory.

Now from we have learn the gould have been interested in our little planet ever sense we destroyed apophis fleet, which pretty much cripple his forces. It possible with asguard bussy with the reps that a gould al'kesh or may cargo ship or even ha'tak arrive outside the solar system to scan it. Why they were doing this they detected Osirises vessel traveling at sublight and decide to intercept. This vessel was under the controle of anubis and he then use Osirises to carry out tasks for himself. Knowing that if he reveal himself at the time the gould system lords would unite like they did before to defeat him.

In the Moebius we found out it was daniel and jack and teal'c and carter that original led the rebellion which overthrew ra, it was them that probably order the stargate to be covered and bury, just like a self fulfilling prefecy.

As for ra abandoning the planet. Their possible meany reasons. The one I think is mostly that someone like oma or may be some one else paid ra a little visit and showed him that if he did not leave earth alone he would much bigger problems to deal with than a rebellion on some backwater planet, it possible that they evenuse the weapon in antartica to reinforce this message.

He would probably would of kept the secret may be pretended that he still had controle of the planet, just to prevent other gould from going to the to capture the weapon and use it against him.

May as part of the deal he could of recieve a few minor technological upgrades or few peices of information lie the eye of ra.

[cb001]

First things first: Osiris wasn't working for Anubis until the Post was offerd to her in "Summit". At that time she already had a few loyal Jaffa. Altough it is possible, that sie just escaped our Solarsystem, but still at 10 times the speed of light(preS1finale hyperdrives, as far as i remember) it would have taken her damn long to just leave the system.

Our Heroes starting the Rebellion is part of "the new Timeline" which is in fact the same, just with the difference, that Jack has fish in his pond.
(Same happend as in "Before I sleep" where the alternate Weir went back in time, and then told herself of the changed timeline)

They wont even interfere when they are about to be killed, so Ascended beings sure as hell did not interfere.

But Ra just ignoring the Rebellion to show no weakness sounds interesting.
Might even be possible, Apophis just went to Earth two years after Ras death. Maybe just to check out, if Ra said the truth 5000years ago.

[Cycrow]

Its just alike to what Teal'c stated in "The First Comandment": That the Goauld have Terraformed many worlds (what is pretty much possible), but most Worlds were Terraformed by the Dakara Device. Its just the usual inconsistencies in a 10-year running series.

And if Osiris would have needed 100+ years to get to another planet with a Staragate, Jackson would've not been able to free Sarah of Osirises control. Just usual inconsistencies (what is it called? Deus Ex Machina, if you are willing to accept impossible things just to have the Plot advance).

well, its never been said that the dakara device terraforms plaents, only that it was used to seed life, which could just be to kick start evolution.

also, when Teal'c said that, he didn't know about the ancient, he still thought the goa'uld created everything, so he could have just assumed that it was the goa'uld, afterall, the goa'uld wouldn't have said someone else did, they would have claimed they did it, being gods and all.

as for the Osiris ship, theres really no telling what happened, she could have just flied to the closest planet with a stargate then used that to get into goa'uld territory.

or even jsut sent a subspace message to be picked up by someone

[Cylean]

RA being Supreme System Lord had to keep his reputation intact. I'm sure that if he return to discipline Earth slaves that would bring unwanted attention, not to mention imbarassment, from other system Lords who just waited for him to slip up. Which a successful rebelion on Earth definitely was. It was far better tactic for him to keep that speck on his all shining glory quiet. And as stated before, Earth wasn't really that strategically important.

[Tok'Ra Hostess]

RA being Supreme System Lord had to keep his reputation intact. I'm sure that if he return to discipline Earth slaves that would bring unwanted attention, not to mention imbarassment, from other system Lords who just waited for him to slip up. Which a successful rebelion on Earth definitely was. It was far better tactic for him to keep that speck on his all shining glory quiet. And as stated before, Earth wasn't really that strategically important.

No, actually, it should have been very important to Ra's reputation and authority. He certainly took affront at the movie's Daniel and company("There can only be one Ra"), and he planned to blow up Earth with a naq-enhanced bomb sent back thru the stargate.

In the tv series, Earth did have importance, as Teal'c said that the Earth address was well know among the System Lords and also, many, many Goa'uld came and went on Earth, including Ra himself, when Hathor was put in stasis and left on Earth by Ra after the rebellion in Egypt. If the Gate had, indeed been buried since Ra's original ousting, how did all those Goa'uld and the Goa'uld who started the Tok'Ra movement come to be on Earth?

The Tok'Ra movement was born 2000 years ago on Earth by the queen known here as Egeria, who befriended the human ruler Pompilious.

No, a powerful ruler like Ra couldn't afford to let slaves push him around. It stands to reason that there must have been other factors at work, here.