Wraith vs Ori?

[Gatman]

Ok, I think you are wrong, in that battle were mostly the cruisers escorting the hives the ones that open fire and in the next scene Sheppard makes it very clear that the Wraith are not trying to destroy the daedalus but to board it he evens says that is their usual strategy.

Could they be like the replicators and asimulate different races technology, and if the wraith won over the lanteans cause they had more numbers, does that mean they could mass produce hiveships? I mean come on they could've used the drones to destroy all 60-70 hiveships, just like the antartic post that destroyed anubis's fleet.

[MB.Eddie]

I was talking about the Kull Warrior armour, not the Jaffa armour. The Kull warriors wore those black suits. It's what Vala was wearing when she "borrowed" the Prometheus. It was only after she was down to her "thermal underwear" that the Zat affected her.

Yeah i realise that now. Miss read a previous post...
Completely agree with you

[PG15]

complete bull#@&t...you're over estimating the ori and under estimating the wraith...the ori would be dead in a second with hundred hives firing on it...unless they're powered by Z.P.Ms in whick case they'd be completely unstopable and stargate would be a joke...

Well, they have been unstopable at the moment, but time will tell.

it take say 5-10 seconds to fire the beam weapon and the hive is so big i doubt it'll go down in one shot

It takes much less than 5-10 seconds. Watch Camelot again, those things can be fired every 3 seconds or so, maybe less.

firstly its 7 times larger than a ha'tak and it's heavily armoured which is a bonus against a seemingly shield piercing weapon...

Remember that one beam went through and entire Hatak, I think it can do a lot of damage to a hive. If not a single shot, then 2, but no more I reckon.

non of these ridiculas and completely baseless statements of an ori ship taking on 100 hives if they could do that then everyone may aswell start praying to ori because no force in the universe could stop even one of their ships...

Guess what, they are.

(and i realise i have no basis for my statement about 4 hives to an ori ship but i think thats a reasonable estimate

Ok, maybe my 100 hive vs. 1 Ori ship was also a little extreme, but it's gonna be waaay more than 4, I'd say at least 20. Of course, it's all baseless at the moment until we see what it takes to actually take down an Ori ship (kawooshes not included).

Pure speculation

What else do we have?

[JUNIOR]

Okay Buba uoganarf (and other who thinks the Wraith would win) you obliviously haven’t taken several key factors into consideration. One being that the Wraith HAVE NO SHEILDS!!! Probably the best way that the Wraith would have a chance is if they brought the full force of their ships to fight, and they would still be the underdogs. Think about it, the Ori have beam weapons that can cut through Ha’taks (which have shields) like a knife through hot butter so why would the Wraith be any different. Let me guess what you’re thinking, far greater numbers right! No, you have to think about this logically. The Ori wouldn’t sit back and let the entire Wraith collective in the galaxy come to them (like the Ancients seem to have done). They would sweep across the galaxy before the Wraith had anytime the centralize their defense, and I’d say judging by the way that the Ori took out the Ha’taks that they would make quick work of the divided, shield-less wraith that are at civil war with each other. Another thing is that the wraith (as far as we know) don’t have rings so ringing a bomb on board is out (has already been established that it wouldn’t work anyways in F&B). About the only thing that I can think of that the Wraith could do is try to send a computer virus like they did in “Intruder”, but I doubt that would work. One last thing you might want to take into consideration is that the Wraith have the one of the worst hyperdrive tech. that has been seen by any advanced race in the SG universe so they couldn’t outrun the Ori ships which means that if they encountered one of the Warships they would most likely be rundown and killed (since they’re not human and as far as we know the Ori would have no use for them). Sorry but unless the Wraith got significant sheild, and H-drive improvements since ep.3 the Ori would win hands down.

[WraithWarrior]

If you look at the ep Prometheus Unbound you will see that Daniel goes to collect or give away (cant remember) some naquadah I think (again, cant remember aint watched it for a year or so) and he goes without the helmet and when he gets shot, hes still unaffected. Now I wonder if it protects your head even without the helmet as long as you're wearing the suit!?

[Buba uognarf]

If you look at the ep Prometheus Unbound you will see that Daniel goes to collect or give away (cant remember) some naquadah I think (again, cant remember aint watched it for a year or so) and he goes without the helmet and when he gets shot, hes still unaffected. Now I wonder if it protects your head even without the helmet as long as you're wearing the suit!?

depends..................if ur shot in the head or not

[Buba uognarf]

Okay Buba uoganarf (and other who thinks the Wraith would win) you obliviously haven’t taken several key factors into consideration. One being that the Wraith HAVE NO SHEILDS!!! Probably the best way that the Wraith would have a chance is if they brought the full force of their ships to fight, and they would still be the underdogs. Think about it, the Ori have beam weapons that can cut through Ha’taks (which have shields) like a knife through hot butter so why would the Wraith be any different. Let me guess what you’re thinking, far greater numbers right! No, you have to think about this logically. The Ori wouldn’t sit back and let the entire Wraith collective in the galaxy come to them (like the Ancients seem to have done). They would sweep across the galaxy before the Wraith had anytime the centralize their defense, and I’d say judging by the way that the Ori took out the Ha’taks that they would make quick work of the divided, shield-less wraith that are at civil war with each other. Another thing is that the wraith (as far as we know) don’t have rings so ringing a bomb on board is out (has already been established that it wouldn’t work anyways in F&B). About the only thing that I can think of that the Wraith could do is try to send a computer virus like they did in “Intruder”, but I doubt that would work. One last thing you might want to take into consideration is that the Wraith have the one of the worst hyperdrive tech. that has been seen by any advanced race in the SG universe so they couldn’t outrun the Ori ships which means that if they encountered one of the Warships they would most likely be rundown and killed (since they’re not human and as far as we know the Ori would have no use for them). Sorry but unless the Wraith got significant sheild, and H-drive improvements since ep.3 the Ori would win hands down.

shields have been shown to be pretty useless against the ori so a larger ship which is heavily armoured may be more effective and we're talking about an all out war so the wraith would be unified with 100's of cruisors as well plus the wraith can probably build ships at a phenomanal rate....and ha'taks aren't that amazing anyway bc-304 is surposed to be able take on out and like i've said before hives have greater fire power and can fire alot faster, they could also proably take more hits from the ori canon of death...

It takes much less than 5-10 seconds. Watch Camelot again, those things can be fired every 3 seconds or so, maybe less.

the canon is not rapid fire it takes atleast 5 seconds to charge and fire but i agree 10 seconds was abit too much.

Remember that one beam went through and entire Hatak, I think it can do a lot of damage to a hive. If not a single shot, then 2, but no more I reckon.

yeah but remember hives are alot bigger to go right through a hive would take alot more power than it would to go through a ha'tak, 2-3 shots and in that time the hives are going to be pounding the ori shields...and if all else fails the wraith could jsut ram the ori a couple of times...

Ok, maybe my 100 hive vs. 1 Ori ship was also a little extreme, but it's gonna be waaay more than 4, I'd say at least 20. Of course, it's all baseless at the moment until we see what it takes to actually take down an Ori ship (kawooshes not included).

4 hives focusing on a single ori ship would be far more powerful than anything they've already taken i'd say 6 at most anymore and it's gettin riduculas 20 hives could have just as easily whipped the MW fleet at the supergate...are you saying a single ori vessel would have been enough?

I think that was two gate busters plus the wraith ship explosion

they weren't gatebusters they were 26 megatons your off by like 1000%...lol

Ok, I think you are wrong, in that battle were mostly the cruisers escorting the hives the ones that open fire and in the next scene Sheppard makes it very clear that the Wraith are not trying to destroy the daedalus but to board it he evens says that is their usual strategy.

yeah only about 3-4 hives were actually firing on the daudeless and it's shields dropped in about a minute and they hives weren't even trying to destroy them...

If you're using the 304's as a measure of how strong the wraith weapons are, you're rather funny. Hataks could damage our 304's. Wraith can damage our 304's.

Heck, daedalus sat in direct fire of 10 hive ships and their escorts for a bit of time before they had to flee. Hataks can do a decent amount of damage to our ships, in far less numbers. 10 hiev ships and their escorts are quite a number of ships... maybe 10 hives + 10 Cruisers + 1000 darts.. that's a ton of firepower... yet the Daedalus's shields held for a while. I'm not sure if the Odyssey could take the Lucian alliance, which has less than that many ships.

Ori cruisers can destroy 304's with a couple of shots from their main cannons. It takes a while for a single hive to do the same amount of damage to a 304.

So again, tahnsk for trying. Learn to use the enter key

like i said the only afew hives were firing, the prometheus powered by an alkesh reactor survived and incounter with the 'full force' of anubis's fleet, the daudeless barely survives any ecounter with the wraith....when the odessy faced off against the lucian allience the ship was 90% complete and the shields were pointed out as a concern and it still lasted longer than the daudeless...and i'm not saying that the wraith can handel the ori one on one but when numbers are involved the ori have a problem...

and what do mean thanks for trying try to use the enter key???

[DanielMightBeGay]

No, No you guys have it all wrong. the Wraith and Ori will have an alliance. Once the alliance is established, the Ori will start making Wraith priors! After all of that drama then there will be a conflict and the alliance will crumble. Then, the Wraith and Ori wars will begin!!!! Dun Dun Dun

[kirmit]

all the ori ship needs to do is fire at the hive once, slicing it in half like the ancient satellite did and the rest will go boom.

[Buba uognarf]

all the ori ship needs to do is fire at the hive once, slicing it in half like the ancient satellite did and the rest will go boom.

see there's just one problem with that....the ori don't have ancient satelites!!! assuming it can do what the ancient one did is unfounded the ancient one seemed to be designed to cut like a scalpal the ori canon seems like it's surposed to blow holes in stuff i doubt it could blow a hole straight through the hive unless it hit the dart bay which where the ancient satelite(round about)

[kirmit]

see there's just one problem with that....the ori don't have ancient satelites!!! assuming it can do what the ancient one did is unfounded the ancient one seemed to be designed to cut like a scalpal the ori canon seems like it's surposed to blow holes in stuff i doubt it could blow a hole straight through the hive unless it hit the dart bay which where the ancient satelite(round about)

why do you doubt the beam couldn't blow straight through the ship? all the hive has is it armoured plating which i doubt would be very effective against the beam.

[Buba uognarf]

why do you doubt the beam couldn't blow straight through the ship? all the hive has is it armoured plating which i doubt would be very effective against the beam.

you do realise all the blue/purple stuff on the hive is armour???thats like 50m probably more it's just there for show...and like i've said before against a mainly shield piercing weapon like the ori canon being large and armour would help a great deal unless hit in an external weakness which the ori don't know about

[Wraith Scientist]

Hiveships are weak because they don't have shields. Just like tanks are weak because they aren't wearing bulletproof vests

Shields aren't the end-all starship defence. You can also use something called armour. Most ships on SG have shields, and so we've become used to the idea that shields are somehow necessary. What we don't take into account however, is the hardness of the ship itself. Just because Earth ships and Ha'taks explode like they're packed full of fireworks when their shields go down doesn't mean that a ship with no shields will explode in a similar fashion as soon as it is hit. Human and Goa'uld ships rely on shields for their defence, while Wraith ships are made of tougher stuff. They're presumably designed for dealing with ancient drones, which can go through shields like they're not there

Hiveships are also big. You may be able to punch a hole in a hiveship, but that hole would be tiny compared to the ship itself. If I have a laser that can cut through anything, but which only fires in short bursts and makes a tootpick-sized hole, it may be good against small toughened targets, but against something like a house I'd have a real hard time

[Buba uognarf]

Hiveships are weak because they don't have shields. Just like tanks are weak because they aren't wearing bulletproof vests

Shields aren't the end-all starship defence. You can also use something called armour. Most ships on SG have shields, and so we've become used to the idea that shields are somehow necessary. What we don't take into account however, is the hardness of the ship itself. Just because Earth ships and Ha'taks explode like they're packed full of fireworks when their shields go down doesn't mean that a ship with no shields will explode in a similar fashion as soon as it is hit. Human and Goa'uld ships rely on shields for their defence, while Wraith ships are made of tougher stuff. They're presumably designed for dealing with ancient drones, which can go through shields like they're not there

Hiveships are also big. You may be able to punch a hole in a hiveship, but that hole would be tiny compared to the ship itself. If I have a laser that can cut through anything, but which only fires in short bursts and makes a tootpick-sized hole, it may be good against small toughened targets, but against something like a house I'd have a real hard time

good analogy ....i agree people seem to think without shields a ship is defenceless that is not the case and it's not like shields protect them form the ori anyway so the size and 50m armour plating on the hive might come in handy ......we've already seen in pegasus project that the hive can do a sling shot manuever around a black hole now you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that the force acting on the hull would have been enourmous that alone shows the strength of the hives construction

[tobi]

Come on, the wratih would get their asses kicked. Hataks are not that small and the ori weapon cuts through them like nothing. And there's the point that they won't be able to deplete the ori ships.