S10: Critique & Contemplation

[EmmaPeel]

To be honest, I don't think they write any of the characters like they are "real". None of them have ever struck a "real" chord with me.

I completely agree. Doesn't mean I don't like them, because I do and have been a fan for years. But you know, they save the planet/galaxy all the time, never suffer any repercussions (physical or mental), etc. For me, Jack is the one who seems most real in a sense, only because he screws up a lot and has some glaring faults.

I've heard people say that they feel Daniel Jackson is the most complex, interesting character ever to appear on a Sc-fi show. I like Daniel very much and I know he's the "moral conscience" of the show, but for me he's far from the most complex character ever written. Daniel rarely does anything wrong...he's just too good for my tastes. I'd have to rate G'kar from B5 as one of the most complex, best written Sci-Fi characters. His journey/growth was far more interesting to me that Daniel's ever could be.

Just my 2 cents.

[Mandysg1]

you mean this one?
<snippy>

I wonder if I have my poster mixed up? I know it wouldn't be the first time

There was a post discussing Danil/Vala episode coming up, I thought it was you that posted it

Darn there goes my memory again

[Frostfox]

I've heard people say that they feel Daniel Jackson is the most complex, interesting character ever to appear on a Sc-fi show. I like Daniel very much and I know he's the "moral conscience" of the show, but for me he's far from the most complex character ever written. Daniel rarely does anything wrong...he's just too good for my tastes. I'd have to rate G'kar from B5 as one of the most complex, best written Sci-Fi characters. His journey/growth was far more interesting to me that Daniel's ever could be.

Just my 2 cents.

Mm, yeah, G'Kar, fabulous character.

My vote goes to The Plain and Simple Tailor, Garak.
"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagnation"
Certainly one of the most amoral and ambiguous characters in SF.

FF

[LaCroix]

I wonder if I have my poster mixed up? I know it wouldn't be the first time

There was a post discussing Danil/Vala episode coming up, I thought it was you that posted it

Darn there goes my memory again

I think it was Jess and saberhagen83 posts. I was reading them before server went down. I think they got eaten because if it.

[Mandysg1]

I think it was Jess and saberhagen83 posts. I was reading them before server went down. I think they got eaten because if it.

Thanks for clearing that up for me LaCroix

Yep, they say the memory is the first to go

[JessM]

I wonder if I have my poster mixed up? I know it wouldn't be the first time

There was a post discussing Danil/Vala episode coming up, I thought it was you that posted it

Darn there goes my memory again

That was mine actually... looks like posts I made on other threads before the crash were deleted too... think I'm starting to get paranoid, lol

I'll repost it though.

[JessM]

I think it was Jess and saberhagen83 posts. I was reading them before server went down. I think they got eaten because if it.

Oops just saw your post there I'll repost what I more or less said.

Basically it looks like we're going to get Vaniel shoved down our throats for the finale.

(spoilers just in case)

Spoiler:

Was reading reports from the Burbank con and a friend who went called me on the phone to tell me what MS said. Apparently we will see what a relationship between Daniel and Vala "could be like". Then I heard that N. John Smith said it would be for "Unending" the last episode. We'll see possible futures for the characters 20 or 40 years from now. According to one con report, the way MS spoke about it, it could be "shippy." Now for all those who like Vaniel "shippy" could mean the stupid comedy club routine we've seen since S9. Whatever it is, I'm not looking forward to it.

If they show more than one scenario where Daniel is paired with different people then fine. But I don't need to see Vaniel as the be all and end all. I personally don't know why Daniel would settle down with Vala, unless it's a pod person or bad AU version of him. I don't think that would be a good note for the show to go out on, even if it's not really going out if you take the movies into account. But then again, I guess I should expect this, the way the show's been going the past couple of seasons...

That's basically what I was saying, as far as I can remember...

[pittsburghgirl]

I wonder if I have my poster mixed up? I know it wouldn't be the first time

There was a post discussing Danil/Vala episode coming up, I thought it was you that posted it

Darn there goes my memory again

np-it wasn't me-i hope that the poster posts it again.

[Mandysg1]

Oops just saw your post there I'll repost what I more or less said.

Basically it looks like we're going to get Vaniel shoved down our throats for the finale.

(spoilers just in case)

Spoiler:

Was reading reports from the Burbank con and a friend who went called me on the phone to tell me what MS said. Apparently we will see what a relationship between Daniel and Vala "could be like". Then I heard that N. John Smith said it would be for "Unending" the last episode. We'll see possible futures for the characters 20 or 40 years from now. According to one con report, the way MS spoke about it, it could be "shippy." Now for all those who like Vaniel "shippy" could mean the stupid comedy club routine we've seen since S9. Whatever it is, I'm not looking forward to it.

If they show more than one scenario where Daniel is paired with different people then fine. But I don't need to see Vaniel as the be all and end all. I personally don't know why Daniel would settle down with Vala, unless it's a pod person or bad AU version of him. I don't think that would be a good note for the show to go out on, even if it's not really going out if you take the movies into account. But then again, I guess I should expect this, the way the show's been going the past couple of seasons...

That's basically what I was saying, as far as I can remember...

Ah yes that was the post

but I think you forgot one thing, the need for....

Spoiler:

Hmmm, must update my bucket, they are actually half FULL (not empty) by now

[Nolamom]

I'm having trepiditions about this whole 20 year/ 40 year business...sounds like another insane writer's jaunt to totally screw up everything and leave no one happy...

[Mandysg1]

I'm having trepiditions about this whole 20 year/ 40 year business...sounds like another insane writer's jaunt to totally screw up everything and leave no one happy...

Well that's nothing new for them

[AGateFan]

I'm having trepiditions about this whole 20 year/ 40 year business...sounds like another insane writer's jaunt to totally screw up everything and leave no one happy...

Pretty much.

[saberhagen83]

I'm having trepiditions about this whole 20 year/ 40 year business...sounds like another insane writer's jaunt to totally screw up everything and leave no one happy...

Well seems my post is gone here. So those internet-replicators are real, they eat posts!

Oh well let's see if I can remember what I wrote. It was something about them doing this Daniel/Vala thing again for the series finale. It may work and perhaps be fun for a ep or two, but when they throw this much on us during these two seasons, it gets too much. I really don't enjoy this whole Vaniel thing at all.

Also the future thing in the finale reminds me alot, if I'm not misstaken, of the Charmed finale. I really don't think that is something that will be good for a SG1 series finale. Not really looking forward to it, haven't looked forward to S10 either so...only ep may be of more interest is "The road not taken", as it will finally have some more Carter (hopefully). It's another matter if it's well done, likely not though.

[JessM]

Ah yes that was the post

but I think you forgot one thing, the need for....

Spoiler:

Hmmm, must update my bucket, they are actually half FULL (not empty) by now

Ah, true, true... I think my S10 bucket is already half full... maybe even a bit more than that now.

[JessM]

Well seems my post is gone here. So those internet-replicators are real, they eat posts!

Oh well let's see if I can remember what I wrote. It was something about them doing this Daniel/Vala thing again for the series finale. It may work and perhaps be fun for a ep or two, but when they throw this much on us during these two seasons, it gets too much. I really don't enjoy this whole Vaniel thing at all.

Also the future thing in the finale reminds me alot, if I'm not misstaken, of the Charmed finale. I really don't think that is something that will be good for a SG1 series finale. Not really looking forward to it, haven't looked forward to S10 either so...only ep may be of more interest is "The road not taken", as it will finally have some more Carter (hopefully). It's another matter if it's well done, likely not though.

I agree w/Nolamom that it does sound like another chance to screw things up and not leave anyone happy. I don't think I would have minded the Vaniel thing as much if, like you said, it hadn't been forcefed to us during these past two seasons -- AND if it was something that may not happen in our reality (and if we saw "our" Daniel's reaction to it as something like "Okay, THAT'S screwed up..." Though I doubt it would happen at this point).

It does sound eerily familiar to the Charmed finale. I think I'm at the point now where I'm going to rely on a more dedicated watcher to let me know how the ep went (she isn't very happy with S10 either - but she still watches for the sake of watching. She must have a stronger stomach than I).

I am looking forward to "The Road Not Taken" as well. It will be great to see Sam as something besides wallpaper for once, although I agree it's a whole other matter if it's actually done well.