S10: Critique & Contemplation

[Skydiver]

I wouldn't mind him being Mitchell the Intergalactic ScrewUp if but for the fact that the type of screw ups are inappropriate for someone who should know better.

i wouldn't either, if he wasn't he boss.

TPTB forgot one simple thing...intergalactic stuff up does not = great and trusted leader

You CAN'T have it both ways. He can't be a giant goof ball and be a trusted and intelligent leader. the two characterizations are mutually exclusive.

MAJOR mitchell can be a screwup. but LT COLONEL LEADER OF THE BEST TEAM IN THE SGC can't be a screw up. If he is, then the SGC isn't exactly the quality, 'best of the best' base in the world now is it???

That is mitch's greatest obstacle to overcome and i don't think it ever will. his character, burdened with the 'intergalactic screw up' personna is fatally flawed.

[Uber]

i wouldn't either, if he wasn't he boss.

TPTB forgot one simple thing...intergalactic stuff up does not = great and trusted leader

You CAN'T have it both ways. He can't be a giant goof ball and be a trusted and intelligent leader. the two characterizations are mutually exclusive.

MAJOR mitchell can be a screwup. but LT COLONEL LEADER OF THE BEST TEAM IN THE SGC can't be a screw up. If he is, then the SGC isn't exactly the quality, 'best of the best' base in the world now is it???

That is mitch's greatest obstacle to overcome and i don't think it ever will. his character, burdened with the 'intergalactic screw up' personna is fatally flawed.

Dare I say something positive on this thread?

This is what added to Pegasus Project's success for me.

Spoiler:

He wasn't a screw up. He didn't boss everyone around or act inappropriately cocky. His humor was toned down to more realistic levels and other people were the heroes of this one. Not Mitchell. It was Sam and Teal'c BABY.

If they can continue that trend, I have more hope for the season.

Don't shoot me for my tiny thread of hope.

Ooooh...Ooooh!!! I have a negative thought to add...THEY PROBABLY WON'T! This was probably a one-off and they probably still don't know which characterization they want him to inevitably have for the guy so we'll see lots and LOTS of cornball Cambo in the weeks to come.

*whew* I was getting a bit too optimistic there for a second.

[Skydiver]

mitch in PP had potential. And if they can keep writing him less as LT Colonel Screw Up he'll keep that potential. Just as if they can keep Vala's libido under control and stop lifting lines from SEx in the City or the late night porn shows on cable, she'll have potential as well.

Neither of them will ever escape their past. And i don't think either of them will ever fully redeem themselves simply because i doubt that TPTB can restrain from thier full silliness potential for 20 whole episodes.

but at least it'll be a step in the right direction.

Time will tell if the recent changes will last or if they're just a case of 'oops, the boss is looking, let's stop screwing around...oh goody, now he's gone, we can get back to having fun!!!!'

[ReganX]

i wouldn't either, if he wasn't he boss.

TPTB forgot one simple thing...intergalactic stuff up does not = great and trusted leader

You CAN'T have it both ways. He can't be a giant goof ball and be a trusted and intelligent leader. the two characterizations are mutually exclusive.

MAJOR mitchell can be a screwup. but LT COLONEL LEADER OF THE BEST TEAM IN THE SGC can't be a screw up. If he is, then the SGC isn't exactly the quality, 'best of the best' base in the world now is it???

I think that you're absolutely right about this.

Mitchell should have been an enthusiastic newbie, goofing up but meaning well or a competent, experienced leader who could be trusted with the responsibility of leader of the SG team most likely to get into trouble.

Trying to blend the two roles has led to the creation of an exceptionally poor character.

That is mitch's greatest obstacle to overcome and i don't think it ever will. his character, burdened with the 'intergalactic screw up' personna is fatally flawed.

It's not a flaw I see them being able to correct. Season Nine has established Mitchell's character, for better or worse (chiefly worse) and even if it made sense for him to have an epiphany and suddenly turn into the kind of person one wouldn't shudder to think of leading any SG team, let alone the flagship team, it would mean a virtual personality transplant, something I could see some of the writers and Mitchell fans having problems with.

[smurf]

The problem is, even if they find some way to "fix" Mitchell (Bounty suggests not), ratings wise it's probably too late. I can't imagine a surge of regained fans in the next 7 episodes.
It'll be like X-files (for me) where it was just hitting it's stride with the new characters before the end.



Eee! One of my posts has been properly modded. Funny thing, when I see a mod snip I always wonder what got snipped, now mine has and I automatically wondered the same thing. I'm so strange.

[ReganX]

The problem is, even if they find some way to "fix" Mitchell (Bounty suggests not), ratings wise it's probably too late. I can't imagine a surge of regained fans in the next 7 episodes.
It'll be like X-files (for me) where it was just hitting it's stride with the new characters before the end.

Ratings wise, I think that it is too late. The majority of viewers don't frequent the forums, so if, hypothetically speaking, TPTB decided that the approach they were taking with Mitchell had been the wrong tack after all and changed his character, those who stopped watching aren't going to know that he has changed, not unless TPTB were going to run advertisements about New Improved (Non-Numpty) Mitchell.

I don't see how they would get the viewers they lost because of Mitchell back but they could wind up losing some of the viewers who like Mitchell as he is.

It's too late for Mitchell now.

[AGateFan]

Ratings wise, I think that it is too late. The majority of viewers don't frequent the forums, so if, hypothetically speaking, TPTB decided that the approach they were taking with Mitchell had been the wrong tack after all and changed his character, those who stopped watching aren't going to know that he has changed, not unless TPTB were going to run advertisements about New Improved (Non-Numpty) Mitchell.

I don't see how they would get the viewers they lost because of Mitchell back but they could wind up losing some of the viewers who like Mitchell as he is.

It's too late for Mitchell now.

Actually, it seems like they are already trying.
You do it by doing a bait and switch. You fill your episode previews with Carter, Teal'c, Daniel and yes RDA. People think old Stargate and tune in. Then you throw out the new, new and improved Stargate with a toned down Cambo and Vala and hope that its good enough to stick.

[ReganX]

Actually, it seems like they are already trying.
You do it by doing a bait and switch. You fill your episode previews with Carter, Teal'c, Daniel and yes RDA. People think old Stargate and tune in. Then you throw out the new, new and improved Stargate with a toned down Cambo and Vala and hope that its good enough to stick.

People will get wise to that trick pretty quickly. Maybe the first couple of times they see an ad full of the original SG-1 they will tune in, but if they are consistently being presented with the Cambo And Vala Hour, they'll stop trusting the ads.

[Skydiver]

Eee! One of my posts has been properly modded. Funny thing, when I see a mod snip I always wonder what got snipped, now mine has and I automatically wondered the same thing. I'm so strange.

it got modded because you referred to other fans.

Even if you disagree with the opinions of others, you can't disparage them, even jokingly.

It doesn't matter what someone else thinks or if you agree with thier opinion or not, just let them be and leave them alone.

And the only reason i'm posting this publically, no disrespect intended Smurf, is as a warning for everyone.

[smurf]

No problem. It's not the end of the world. I've seen worse, but swings and roundabouts an' all that.

On Topic:
It seems RDA's second appearance may be The Shroud which, although it's heavily Daniel related, I'm rather surprised by. I have a horrible feeling that his part won't go much further than being reported to, otherwise he'd be stepping heavily on some toes.

[LaCroix]

Now if this is off the wall, someone please say so.

There's something that I've noticed ratings wise v. Anti threads. This past season Anti S9 thread has
so far 4813 posts. S9 had a 1.8 (while certain countries haven't seen it yet.)

And with S10 this thread already has 3937 comments, (as I post) and more than likely gain some more in the next few weeks.

Now do you think there's a parallel between these two? Or is it the above in the first sentence?

[Skydiver]

are you trying to say that the lower the ratings the busier the anti thread?

who knows. and we can't know for sure until s10 is over

[AGateFan]

Now if this is off the wall, someone please say so.

There's something that I've noticed ratings wise v. Anti threads. This past season Anti S9 thread has
so far 4813 posts. S9 had a 1.8 (while certain countries haven't seen it yet.)

And with S10 this thread already has 3937 comments, (as I post) and more than likely gain some more in the next few weeks.

Now do you think there's a parallel between these two? Or is it the above in the first sentence?

Well I for one did not start posting in the Anti S9 thread until later in the season when I realised it wasnt going to get better. I started posting in the Anti S10 thread as soon as it opened after the S10 folder opened.

So I am not sure that there is any comparison with the # of post vs the ratings. I dont think most people started out thinking S9 would be bad, I think many were even content after the first few eps knowing that things would change by ep 5. Saddly it did not change for the better, but still I think people were mostly willing to keep giving it shot after shot to get back to Classic Stargate. S10 many of us didnt have any hope for to begin with.

At least thats how I see it.

[ReganX]

Now if this is off the wall, someone please say so.

There's something that I've noticed ratings wise v. Anti threads. This past season Anti S9 thread has
so far 4813 posts. S9 had a 1.8 (while certain countries haven't seen it yet.)

And with S10 this thread already has 3937 comments, (as I post) and more than likely gain some more in the next few weeks.

Now do you think there's a parallel between these two? Or is it the above in the first sentence?

There's really no way to tell how closely the opinions on this, or any thread represent those of all Stargate viewers. I calculated a drop of nearly three hundred thousand viewers between Season Eight's average and Season Nine's. Logically speaking, those who stopped watching probably had their reasons - some might have taken an interest in a new show, or maybe changed their working hours so that they couldn't be home in time - but it is very possible that some of those who stopped watching stopped for reasons like those we have discussed here.

The Nielsen ratings are showing a marked decrease in viewer numbers, but we'll never know exactly what the reasons for each lost viewer leaving were.

[Amanda Eros]

Sorry to switch topics, I tend to love to do that. But I just saw last week's episode and this week's episode. Last week was all right, nothing spectacular. Though it did leave me with a question.

Spoiler:

If the towns people were affected with a parasite from the cave that Morgan Le Fay was from, wouldn't Arthur and his men have become affected as well when they went to search the cave? Chances are they are the ones that carried the parasite back from it. Sorry if anyone else mentioned this or not, I don't get to read all the pages of this thread all the time. I also didn't like how they ended it. If they did a scene with Lam using their research to come up with the cure, I think that would have given the episode some closure. (Though isn't the actress pregnant again and that's why she's never on the show anymore? Or could it be that since they do have two newbies they take up too much airtime on them and that leaves no time to develop Lam.)

TPP was a tad bit above average. The best part of the episode was the last five to ten minutes. They also make the Ascended seem to be apathetic beings, that perhaps deserve to get their bums kicked by the Orii. Which I don't like, 'cause I want them to be the good guys...