S10: Critique & Contemplation

[jckfan55]

RDA was real good at telling them when they were doing something he didn't like, agree with, or would lower the believability of a scene/episode.

The killjoy!

Oops, my bad. I think I was confusing that reference in Chimera to something I read in a fic about Sam post ITLOD.

No problems. I can be a pain that way.

[suse]

The killjoy!

That seems to have been the implication in some S9 interviews of some people.

suse

[leiasky]

That seems to have been the implication in some S9 interviews of some people.

suse

I've read those interviews and I lost a little more respect I had for those people when I did.

RDA may have been a harda$$ as far as that went but at least it was for the believable betterment of the show.

[Skydiver]

IMHO, it was a bit of a slap in the face to him to have them saying - on the record - how much fun it was without him.

ok, yeah, they may have been having fun, but, in this case, fun didn't equal what many deemed quality. it's like they were a bunch of kids, enjoying things while mom and dad went on vacation, and were so busy having fun that they couldn't see that they were burning down the house while they were partying

[Frostfox]

IMHO, it was a bit of a slap in the face to him to have them saying - on the record - how much fun it was without him.

ok, yeah, they may have been having fun, but, in this case, fun didn't equal what many deemed quality. it's like they were a bunch of kids, enjoying things while mom and dad went on vacation, and were so busy having fun that they couldn't see that they were burning down the house while they were partying

Not to excuse them, because there clearly were some pretty tactless things said, but we also have to remember that the journalist or interviewer is also after juicy copy, as is his editor.
The interviewees could have spoken for hours about how much they liked and respected RDA and it can end up edited out in favour of a soundbite or line which is more controversial or more in keeping with the editor's brief. Very few news sites are with out their own bias or slant, ditto the interviewer and editor.
All of which means that all media should be viewed in context of its inherent bias and the original intent of the interviewee might not be accurately conveyed.

FF

[Ashizuri]

Not to excuse them, because there clearly were some pretty tactless things said, but we also have to remember that the journalist or interviewer is also after juicy copy, as is his editor.
The interviewees could have spoken for hours about how much they liked and respected RDA and it can end up edited out in favour of a soundbite or line which is more controversial or more in keeping with the editor's brief. Very few news sites are with out their own bias or slant, ditto the interviewer and editor.
All of which means that all media should be viewed in context of its inherent bias and the original intent of the interviewee might not be accurately conveyed.

FF

While this is true, when it's the same thing being repeated again and again, you get the impression that those being interviewed know exactly what they're saying.

I actually consider those interviews to be more unintentional thoughtlessness on the part of the interviewee than I do deliberately hurtful. I'm sure none of them sat down and said "Right, let us insult RDA today" but there is a level common sense not being used that is a bit silly for seasoned, professional actors.

They know how the media works, know that the journalist is just looking for the story, slipping up once is understandable, repeating the same phrase over and over again is deliberate. IMO.

[slurredspeech]

While this is true, when it's the same thing being repeated again and again, you get the impression that those being interviewed know exactly what they're saying.

I actually consider those interviews to be more unintentional thoughtlessness on the part of the interviewee than I do deliberately hurtful. I'm sure none of them sat down and said "Right, let us insult RDA today" but there is a level common sense not being used that is a bit silly for seasoned, professional actors.

They know how the media works, know that the journalist is just looking for the story, slipping up once is understandable, repeating the same phrase over and over again is deliberate. IMO.

Ack! I just know I'm going to regret this, but trainwrecks and all that... Can a girl get a link?

[leiasky]

They know how the media works, know that the journalist is just looking for the story, slipping up once is understandable, repeating the same phrase over and over again is deliberate. IMO.

Agreed.

[Ashizuri]

Ack! I just know I'm going to regret this, but trainwrecks and all that... Can a girl get a link?

Here are links to a book preface written by RDA where he acknowledges, and defends, his former castmates remarks, and Cliff Simon/CJ interviews that I posted when we last discussed this issue. The CJ interview irks me.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....ostcount=16994

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....ostcount=16994

I stopped looking when I started getting flustered on RDA's behalf.

[slurredspeech]

Here are links to a book preface written by RDA where he acknowledges, and defends, his former castmates remarks, and Cliff Simon/CJ interviews that I posted when we last discussed this issue. The CJ interview irks me.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....ostcount=16994

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....ostcount=16994

I stopped looking when I started getting flustered on RDA's behalf.

Thanks, darling!

Though, as I suspected, I could have quite happily lived without reading that. I just can't ever help myself.

Just one thing -- both links lead to the same post (Cliff Simon and RDA's preface; no CJ interview). And though I'm probably better off not reading the latter*, just wanted to give you a heads-up.

*And yet I cannot stop myself from perusing GW in search for it. This makes me uneasy!

[Ashizuri]

Thanks, darling!

Though, as I suspected, I could have quite happily lived without reading that. I just can't ever help myself.

Just one thing -- both links lead to the same post (Cliff Simon and RDA's preface; no CJ interview). And though I'm probably better off not reading the latter*, just wanted to give you a heads-up.

*And yet I cannot stop myself from perusing GW in search for it. This makes me uneasy!

I are smrt. Here ya go.

Certainly, certainly. Well, you know, for as much as it was said to be a team it was always "Rick and the other three mooks." You know what I mean? Well, it was. I mean, truly. And then in the last couple of years then it became "the three guys and Rick when he's here."

Now it really is a true team.

So Teal'c's not going to get pushed into the background again? Become "wallpaper?"

I don't think so! I don't think so. And I think because Ben is so determined that it's not going to happen. <snip>

It's almost like remembering how to act again, because there is that general air of spontaneity. Anything can happen at any time. It's such a breath of fresh air. It's just so reinvigorating. It really is. I'm sure everyone said it's like starting a new show, but it really is like this. That sense of excitement, and not just for the actors -- I mean from the writers, from the directors, the crew, from top to bottom. Craft service is especially good this year!

People are happy to be here and excited about it. We laugh all day. Why be here if it's not this much fun? And the fun factor is off the meter. It really is.

http://www.gateworld.net/interviews/judgement_day.shtml
Christopher Judge interview.

[Skydiver]

if it had just been one person, no biggie, but it was more than one in more than one place

and yeah, the biggest thing was that Rick heard and seemed hurt by it.

feel what you want, but folks in s9 and 10 took a while to learn how to phrase things in public. There were several tactless comments made by several members of the cast/crew

[Frostfox]

if it had just been one person, no biggie, but it was more than one in more than one place

and yeah, the biggest thing was that Rick heard and seemed hurt by it.

feel what you want, but folks in s9 and 10 took a while to learn how to phrase things in public. There were several tactless comments made by several members of the cast/crew

Indeed there were, no argument there.
One wonders if there was a studio line they were toeing (not an excuse, in my mind)? The same lines seem to come up in different interviews.

FF

[slurredspeech]

I are smrt. Here ya go.

Cheers!

But, ow! WHY DO I DO THIS TO MYSELF?

Originally Posted by CJ
Certainly, certainly. Well, you know, for as much as it was said to be a team it was always "Rick and the other three mooks." You know what I mean? Well, it was. I mean, truly. And then in the last couple of years then it became "the three guys and Rick when he's here."

HOW SO CONTRADICTIVE TO YOURSELF IN THREE SENTENCES OR LESS, CJ? HOW?

Now it really is a true team.

Wut? Have I blinked and missed this development?

Originally Posted by GW
So Teal'c's not going to get pushed into the background again? Become "wallpaper?"
Originally Posted by CJ
I don't think so! I don't think so. And I think because Ben is so determined that it's not going to happen. <snip>

Well, that kinda didn't work out. I mean, it's not just me, right; Teal'c has neverever been more two-dimensional than in those last two seasons. I don't know if this enthusiasm is solely because it's needed when dealing with the press and essentially promoting your project, or are people really that oblivious when too close to their work. IDEK.

This makes me want to cuddle The Rick even more and in a different manner than I usually do.

[Skydiver]

to me, teal'c's epiphany season was six. that's when he did the most and was at the pinnacle of his development.

then from s7 to 8 he kinda got backgrounded, by seasons 9 and 10 he was just there to be a foil to vala, pair up with cam or get tortured

personally, the jonas/teal'c 'refugee aliens' dynamic was wonderful. Teal'c got to stop being the token alien and became a mentor to Jonas. He got to be big brother instead of jack's straight man.