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I find this episode incredibly cheesy and campy, and despite some of it's creepier implications, adore it for that reason. It's I think, my favorite first season Janet episode, and TR gets to do some really great lines. That and watching Fraiser walk point was amusing.
Anyone else notice Carter's rank insignia rotate during the holding cell scenes? In the first scene it's on wrong, and it looks like someone corrected it later on.
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Originally posted by Tok'Ra HostessI dunno.... If that was a vat of liquid nitrogen Jack tossed her into, then her body splintered into a million pieces when she hit bottom.
That being said, there are almost as many ways to bring 'Hathor' back: clone Hathor, (even-more-)evil twin Hathor, AU Hathor, time travel Hathor, holographic imaging technology Hathor, halucingenic drug-induced Hathor, dream(nightmare?) Hathor, etc.
Cynical, aren't we?
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Originally posted by zatsCrud. Posted this wrong the first time. ANYWAY:
Cynical, aren't we?Gracie
A Cherokee elder sitting with his grandchildren told them,
"In every life there is a terrible fight – a fight between two wolves.
One is evil: he is fear, anger, envy, greed, arrogance, self-pity,
resentment, and deceit. The other is good: joy, serenity, humility,
confidence, generosity, truth, gentleness, and compassion."
A child asked, "Grandfather, which wolf will win?"
The elder looked the child in the eye. "The one you feed."
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I know I'm going to get absolutely ripped to shreds for saying this, but...
Hathor happens to be one of my favorite episodes (I was so happy when they brought her back for Out of Mind!). Up until Osiris/Sarah reared its (her? his?) ugly head, female villans were decidedly lacking. Hathor may be evil, she may be the meanest witch you've ever met, but she was smart and she used her assets to achieve her goals. I'm not saying I condone her drugging and basically raping Daniel, Jack, and God knows who else, but I can at least respect her. She is not someone I would want to tangle with.
On a happier note, I do love how Janet and Sam take charge. "Briefing Room Sam" started out on the right foot, but stumbled a bit in Emancipation. This ep definitely redeemed Sam, not to mention established Janet as a steady presence on the show. As I've likely said (or posted) elsewhere, I'll take any ep where the women kick.
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Originally posted by Dani347I found it went beyond icky. If a man drugged a woman and then had sex with her, what would you call it? I'd call it rape. I'd apply the same thing here.
Originally posted by Tok'ra HostessThe tretonin is not suppressing the Jaffa immune system, it is, basicly, the immune system. The way I understand it, Jaffa lose their own natural immune system at puberty. From then on, they are completly dependant on their symbiote, or, as of season seven, on regular injections of synthetic "ground goa'uld."
It seems that Jaffa only lose immune functions AFTER the larval Gou'ald has been implanted. In O'Neill's case, he lost immune functioning immediately after receiving a pouch but the effects would have been irreversible if a Gou'ald had managed to enter the pouch. What is not clear, at least to my reckoning, is whether or not Jaffa are actually born with the pouch. If not, I don't understand why O'Neill immediately lost his immune functioning after receiving a pouch, while Ryac seemed to function fine with a pouch but without a symbiote for several hours. It's a mystery.
As for the fake looking pouch that O'Neill sports, the Jaffa pouch has ALWAYS looked suspect IMHO. I think that's why Teal'c usually finds a way to keep his concealed after the first couple of seasons.END OF LINE
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Uncle DickThat wasn't the case in Birthright.Teal'c only allowed Ryac to be implanted with a symbiote because of the boy's illness. Otherwise, the episode seemed to indicate that Ryac could have gone on living without one and suffer no immune system deficiency.
In season one's Bloodlines, Teal'c thought he could save his son from implantation, only to discover that the youth was dying. Teal'c may have convinced himself that implantation or death was a lie concocted by the Goa'uld. (He'd already proved that the Goa'uld were liars in that flashback in Threshold.)
It seems that Jaffa only lose immune functions AFTER the larval Gou'ald has been implanted.
What is not clear, at least to my reckoning, is whether or not Jaffa are actually born with the pouch.
Among humans only the female can bear young, but female humans are not born with a womb. The numerous components needed to concieve and bear children grows in over time, some parts(the placenta, for example) don't appear until after an egg has been fertilized.
Just as child-bearing organs are not artificially implanted into females at puberty so that they can thereafter produce children, so too, the Priest does not(IMO) implant the pouch into the Jaffa at puberty so that s/he can thereafter incubate larvae.Gracie
A Cherokee elder sitting with his grandchildren told them,
"In every life there is a terrible fight – a fight between two wolves.
One is evil: he is fear, anger, envy, greed, arrogance, self-pity,
resentment, and deceit. The other is good: joy, serenity, humility,
confidence, generosity, truth, gentleness, and compassion."
A child asked, "Grandfather, which wolf will win?"
The elder looked the child in the eye. "The one you feed."
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Originally posted by Tok'Ra Hostessumm...it was the case in Birthright(season six) The girls lost their own immune system at puberty.
In season one's Bloodlines, Teal'c thought he could save his son from implantation, only to discover that the youth was dying. Teal'c may have convinced himself that implantation or death was a lie concocted by the Goa'uld. (He'd already proved that the Goa'uld were liars in that flashback in Threshold.)
Have you seen season six' Birthright?END OF LINE
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Eh, I think the fact that the information DOES fit with each other and Teal'c was in the first season just figuring out exactly which things he knew were the truth and which were lies, that is far more likely than the easy out of blaming season 7.
Watch out for the plot holes, but don't create ones that aren't there just to find another reason not to like season 7.
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Originally posted by Major FischerEh, I think the fact that the information DOES fit with each other and Teal'c was in the first season just figuring out exactly which things he knew were the truth and which were lies, that is far more likely than the easy out of blaming season 7.
Watch out for the plot holes, but don't create ones that aren't there just to find another reason not to like season 7.END OF LINE
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Originally posted by Uncle Dick"Oh, you poor man," is what Daniel said when Carter tried to rape O'Neill in The Broca Divide. I suppose a similar standard could be applied to Daniel's predicament in this episode.
Besides, Daniel's sarky "you poor man" was in response to O'Neill saying that Carter had made a pass at him, not that he had nearly been raped. (ie even if Jack considered himself a victim of attempted rape rather than just a very rough come-on, Daniel was unaware that it was so). No way can a similar standard be applied.
Madeleine
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