Sam Carter/Jack O'Neill Ship Appreciation Thread

[Rogue]

The whole engagement and Jack's reaction to the ring, IMO, were completely out of character. I can't begin to find good reasoning in them.

Yeah, Sam character took a big hit on that one.

[pittsburghgirl]

Yeah, Sam character took a big hit on that one.

Sam had been taking hits for two years-and I cannot believe that Jack would have let her go like that. I wish that scene in Threads between

Spoiler:

Jack and Jacob

had been left in-it would have explained some stuff-but then-this is those guys we are expecting to be real.

[minigeek]

Yeah, Sam character took a big hit on that one.

You really think so? I don't know. She laid it on the table for Jack. He turned her down. I think it was definitely a powerful moment of conflict (dramatically speaking), but I don't necessarily see it as out of character for either of them. Not a happy moment, but not a degrading one. Sam's character isn't overtly adversarial, and she was really hoping Jack would say something to stop her. When he didn't - she "sucked it up" and tried to deal. That is what I think Sam would do. It isn't the happy outcome some might have wanted, but dramatically speaking, it's true to her character. Slide right back into "denial" mode. Where it's safe. And doesn't hurt.

[parsifal]

She laid it on the table for Jack.

I don't know that Jack knew what the hell was going on. It was a weird scene.

[minigeek]

I don't know that Jack knew what the hell was going on. It was a weird scene.

Jack's not really that dense. He just pretends to be. He knew. I never doubted that, as a viewer.

[Rogue]

You really think so? I don't know. She laid it on the table for Jack. He turned her down. I think it was definitely a powerful moment of conflict (dramatically speaking), but I don't necessarily see it as out of character for either of them. Not a happy moment, but not a degrading one. Sam's character isn't overtly adversarial, and she was really hoping Jack would say something to stop her. When he didn't - she "sucked it up" and tried to deal. That is what I think Sam would do. It isn't the happy outcome some might have wanted, but dramatically speaking, it's true to her character. Slide right back into "denial" mode. Where it's safe. And doesn't hurt.

No, I meant

Spoiler:

the acceptence scene and engagement. Accepting the proposal and making out at a crime scene. Everyone knew she was going to dump Pete at the end, so it just made her look bad.

[blueiris]

Jack's not really that dense. He just pretends to be. He knew. I never doubted that, as a viewer.

Which makes it all the more doubtful as a scene. To me, anyway.

[parsifal]

Jack's not really that dense. He just pretends to be. He knew. I never doubted that, as a viewer.

Still, if she wanted him to tell her what to do, she could have made it easier for him.

[blueiris]

Still, if she wanted him to tell her what to do, she could have made it easier for him.

I don't think she should depend on him to tell her what to do. She should marry Pete if she loved him enough. But she didn't. If was just all wrong on so many levels.

[parsifal]

I don't think she should depend on him to tell her what to do. She should marry Pete if she loved him enough. But she didn't. If was just all wrong on so many levels.

Yeah, it's probably not a good sign when you decide to marry by default.

[minigeek]

I don't think she should depend on him to tell her what to do. She should marry Pete if she loved him enough. But she didn't. If was just all wrong on so many levels.

Yes, exactly. It was wrong. Sam made a mistake. A big one. Huge. Monumental. It was a poor decision made due to the fact that her judgement was clouded by hurt. That's a character flaw. It's pure conflict, and conflict engenders drama. That's how stories get interesting. Tension is the character catalyst we all love to hate. But it's what drives the whole shebang when it comes to storytelling.

[Rogue]

Jack's not really that dense. He just pretends to be. He knew. I never doubted that, as a viewer.

I believe he knew too. But why didn't he step up to the plate? Was he waiting on Sam to say something, was it the Regs? It wasn't that long ago she was trying to tell him her feelings and he said "I know".

[parsifal]

Yes, exactly. It was wrong. Sam made a mistake. A big one. Huge. Monumental. It was a poor decision made due to the fact that her judgement was clouded by hurt. That's a character flaw. It's pure conflict, and conflict engenders drama. That's how stories get interesting. Tension is the character catalyst we all love to hate. But it's what drives the whole shebang when it comes to storytelling.

While that's true, a lot of producers seem to think that it's impossible to have a good romance without involving 'others'.

[blueiris]

I believe he knew too. But why didn't he step up to the plate? Was he waiting on Sam to say something, was it the Regs? It wasn't that long ago she was trying to tell him her feelings and he said "I know".

I honestly believe Jack never felt he was good enough for Sam. That and the regs are what I always thought kept Jack passive. However, once Sam let him know that his feelings were returned (which he professed in D&C), something should have happened between them. Words should have been spoken. And by words, I mean sentences.

[Rogue]

I honestly believe Jack never felt he was good enough for Sam. That and the regs are what I always thought kept Jack passive. However, once Sam let him know that his feelings were returned (which he professed in D&C), something should have happened between them. Words should have been spoken. And by words, I mean sentences.

Well, I am with Rosemary. They should have left the Jack/Jacob scene in Threads.