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Daniel Jackson Appreciation and Discussion -because he's more than pretty
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=89
Daniel Jackson: The Beacon of Hope and The Man Who Opened the Stargate
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Originally posted by dreamhunterI have not seen this episode but reading all this about it makes me feeling sick! Are that Stargates wonderfull new heroes that will replace Jack O´Neill and Sam Carter: A bunch of molesters and rapists???? Now I understand why Richard Dean Anderson isn´t willingly to sign for another episode more! He was always very much engaged for human rights! That is also Stargates new direction. I hope Roland Emmerich has enough money to by the righs back from this people who own them now!
I´m bitterly disappointed and wished I had never buyed any Stargate DVD´s!
Jana
Fanfic writers have used SG-1 characters to explore serious human rights issues for years. I don't think the Boys at the Bridge had any such intentions, though. I think this episode was intended to be a comedy: Vala is a "bad girl" who gives Daniel a hard time.
Graculus and I may be discussing this at a deeper level than it really warrants. The folks at the studio played it for laughs. If you want to just sit back and enjoy it as slapstick comedy, that's an OK position to take. It's probably what the writers intended, anyway. No one thinks they're really that deep.
Please don't give up on Stargate just 'cuz I run off at the mouth . . . er, keyboard.Last edited by Margaret; 27 December 2004, 08:46 AM.
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Originally posted by Kalliopehttp://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=7141
The first post in this thread is very interesting and should be here
Thanks for pointing it out!
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Originally posted by KalliopeScapers love Vala, most of Gaters seem to hate her. Interesting...
Well, I don't hate Vala, but do you think Daniel Jackson is attracted to her? Or ever *might* be attracted to her?
And even more, do you think it would be a good thing or a bad thing for him if he were?
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Originally posted by graculusAnd, come on, did he really *need* to undress her? Vala had already taken off the Supersoldier armor herself.
This is a rather disappointing reflection on Daniel.
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Yeah, I didn't really like the whole thing with 'undressing'.
Love the fight though. That was hilarious. It's like they were having a big cat fight or something lol.
Another pointless part of the episode Prometheus Unbounded was after Hammond was taken back to their little crap Alkesh and the whole 'mouth to mouth' thing. Why did they have to have that in there? It seems quite pointless to me.
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They should TOTALLY be together!!! Sarah is too good for Daniel, he needs someone like Vala! I mean, that fight, you just can't deny it!!! They are sooooooo doing each other!!! Ship everywhere, it's BRILLIANT! (hintsamjackhint)The Von MajorSam Family Singers debut CD... Coming soon
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it's disturbing enough that she wanted to abuse him 'just a little bit.'
The interesting thing is how much *we're* discussing gender!
He wouldn't have gotten mauled by Jack in Broca Divide. He could have dispatched the big bully at Hadante.
I heard that just about everything Freud taught turned out to be wrong.
It's not about what people do under exigency.
You seem to be describing the syndrome, rather than showing that it does not exist.
Vala's actions could be rational. She says to Daniel, "Can I have the ship? No. OK, Discussion over."
Slapping Daiel was not rational. He was tied to the chair, he wasn't a threat to her.
You say she might have been responding to her environment -- what environment? The environment on the Prometheus?
then she's projecting that environment onto the Prometheus and responding to something that's not really there. That's irrational.
I don't see what she expected to get out of that. Was she trying to get information? If so, then it was rational, if inneffectual.
One of the reasons I think she made a decision to hold back is the lingering, confused look she gave Daniel after he refused to hand over the codes (after the 'size matters' comment).
throw Daniel off balance. Daniel was subjected to the mind-numbing, disorienting effects of the emotional roller-coaster ride that is sometimes use to try to "break" people being interogated.
if he hits Kerri, she should recognize that he's not good mate material.
This makes me think of Teal'c hitting Jack too hard when they were sparring: Jack griped Teal'c "did it on purpose", but he didn't refer to it as abuse.
But that doesn't give a rapist the right to read "consent" into the victim's body language.
Sure, but that interpretatiion of his dreams turned out to be completely wrong.
Vala did things to him against his will and without his consent. And as vulnerable and sad as it makes us feel to know that people can hurt us this way, for no reason, through no fault of our own, as scary as it is to know that we won't necessarily be able to stop it, this is the truth about what happened.
recognize that unless Vala's behavior changes drastically, any future encounters with her are likely to be abusive as wellt
Well, I hope the experience doesn't shatter his self-confidence.
handle on your fears, not lying to yourself about what actually happened. Daniel is a lot better off being honest about what happened, being wary of Vala, and not thinking of her behavior as a "game."
Later,
Graculus
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I have not seen this episode but reading all this about it makes me feeling sick! Are that Stargates wonderfull new heroes that will replace Jack O´Neill and Sam Carter: A bunch of molesters and rapists????
Later,
Graculus
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Originally Posted by Kalliope
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=7141
The first post in this thread is very interesting and should be here
I agree. This is really excellent.
Later,
Graculus
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Originally posted by graculusAre you sure you would be so shocked by this if she were a man? Come to think of it, how about Ba'all? He's a lot worse: he engaged in no-holds-barred torture. But I'd still be interested in seeing him humanized by a surprise soft spot. He doesn't have to "explain" anything: we just accept he's Ba'al. Vala is Vala. She resorts to violent and manipulative behavior that we accept, but don't necessarily like, in soldiers. Even the extent of sexual molestation needs to be tempered by what she might have been reading in Daniel. It's not like we got a crotch shot.
And comparing Vala to Ba´al is more than strange. Ba´al was presented in very clear terms as the enemy. And I doubt that we will see him ever as a member of SG 1. And "Abyss" was a drama (but maybe was it for you a comedy, too) and "Prometheus Unbound" a slapstick comedy!
And sorry,for some people the sexualised torture of the prisoners in Irak through U.S. soldiers may be acceptable but I´m not one of them! So please don´t say "we accept" because for me is that an insult! And I doubt that the majority of man and woman who serve in the US military are proud of the ones who were reponsible for it!Last edited by Hathor999; 27 December 2004, 10:36 AM.
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Originally posted by Hathor999I´m very sure that if had been a man (for an example Aris Boch treated Sam the Sam why as Vala Daniel it had lead to a outcry of shock in the fandom (and maybe outside of it). IMHO is the only reason why Valas behaviour is acceptet by many fans is BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. But for me feels that completly wrong. I want a woman who is meant to be a "hero" of a TV-show not more a sexual molestor than a man!
And comparing Vala to Ba´al is more than strange. Ba´al was presented in very clear terms as the enemy. And I doubt that we will see him ever as a member of SG 1. And "Abyss" was a drama (but maybe was it for you a comedy, too) and "Prometheus Unbound" a slapstick comedy!
And sorry for some people the sexualised torture of the prisoners in Irak through U.S. soldiers as acceptable but I´m not one of them! So please don´t say "we accept" because for me is that an insult!
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Originally posted by MartoufMartyIt's a TV show. It's not real. It's supposed to be fun.
I doubt that the Damien Kindler had meant it that way as he had written "Prometheus Unbound" but making Vala a main character of the show is turning something what I had otherwise seen only as another bad Stargate comedy into a problem!
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comparing Vala to Ba´al is more than strange.
So please don´t say "we accept"
more a sexual molestor than a man!
Later,
Graculus
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