Hate the inconsistencies in that too. Maybe it's just an oversight (again!) by the props and research people. I'd just go with 1957, which would make him too young for any involvement in the Vietnam War. (And that also makes him merely 11 years older than Sam )
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Originally posted by Ikorni View PostHate the inconsistencies in that too. Maybe it's just an oversight (again!) by the props and research people. I'd just go with 1957, which would make him too young for any involvement in the Vietnam War. (And that also makes him merely 11 years older than Sam )Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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Originally posted by Nynaeve506 View PostSo are you taking his age to be from 1952? According to wikipedia they stopped handing out the Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal in 1973. If he'd been born in '56 or '57, he would have graduated in in '73, so he wouldn't have been able to earn that particular medal.
(Is this insane that I'm rambling about this? All this because of two lines in this ficlet I'm writing for SaraBahama - I HOPE SHE'S HAPPY!!! Bringing out the OCD in me...)
I made this to help me out with my After series.
*checks* Yup. I have him born in '52, and Sam in '68 (same as me!). That makes him 16 years her senior.
ETA: I think that in my thoughts, Jack was a grunt in Vietnam. He looked around, realized that there were two clear strata: The dumped-upon and the dump-ers upon. Being brighter than your average rock, he chose to be in the latter group (though with less dumping-upon because he's a good guy).
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Originally posted by Pol View Post
*thinking back...* Yeah, I think I put his birth year as 1952. Oh, wait... I have a thing for that!
I made this to help me out with my After series.
*checks* Yup. I have him born in '52, and Sam in '68 (same as me!). That makes him 16 years her senior.
ETA: I think that in my thoughts, Jack was a grunt in Vietnam. He looked around, realized that there were two clear strata: The dumped-upon and the dump-ers upon. Being brighter than your average rock, he chose to be in the latter group (though with less dumping-upon because he's a good guy).
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Originally posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard View Postif jack was born in 52 how can he be 60 in 2013?Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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My S/J fics can be found on FFnet and AO3. I also tweet and tumble about the ship and my writing/stories.
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Yeah, I'm leaning towards 1952 being the more accurate date. It's possible that Jack was just rounding when talking to Kynthia. In "Fragile Balance", Hammond says "More than 30 years" which is again, just a rounding thing. It just makes more sense for his rank etc.
Thanks Pol - that's a very handy graphic
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The way I reconciled his Vietnam Service Ribbon, is that Jack was born in 1952 and volunteered for the Air Force to avoid the draft when he turned 18 in 1970.
Jack's first posting as an enlisted airman was to Vietnam (hence the ribbon) and somehow ended up in VC controlled territory. He made it out of there showing exceptional field skills, tactical sense and leadership abilities. During the debriefing came to the attention of some spooks who encouraged him to become a lifer and sponsored him either to the Academy or OCS. Upon being commissioned was assigned to a part of the Air Force involved in black ops.
It was in this part of the USAF that as a captain in 1982 he went into what was East Germany on mission that went FUBAR as detailed in The Gamekeeper.No Sam w/o a Jack and no Jack w/o a Sam.
It's like and immutable law of the multiverse.
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Originally posted by iiradned View PostThe way I reconciled his Vietnam Service Ribbon, is that Jack was born in 1952 and volunteered for the Air Force to avoid the draft when he turned 18 in 1970.
Jack's first posting as an enlisted airman was to Vietnam (hence the ribbon) and somehow ended up in VC controlled territory. He made it out of there showing exceptional field skills, tactical sense and leadership abilities. During the debriefing came to the attention of some spooks who encouraged him to become a lifer and sponsored him either to the Academy or OCS. Upon being commissioned was assigned to a part of the Air Force involved in black ops.
It was in this part of the USAF that as a captain in 1982 he went into what was East Germany on mission that went FUBAR as detailed in The Gamekeeper.
Crraaaaazzzyyy.
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Originally posted by Pol View Post*thinking back...* Yeah, I think I put his birth year as 1952. Oh, wait... I have a thing for that!
http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l...Neill_Tree.png
I would expect the person proudest of Sam achieving such rank would of course beNo Sam w/o a Jack and no Jack w/o a Sam.
It's like and immutable law of the multiverse.
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Originally posted by iiradned View PostLooking at the table you have Sam getting a fourth star, a rank only one woman has achieved, thus far in real life, Ann Dunwoody.
I would expect the person proudest of Sam achieving such rank would of course be
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Originally posted by fems View PostThe different kinds of ribbons they've used for him are confusing and I don't know why they couldn't just get it right the first time, or at least stick to their correct version from the second time. But overall, I can live with it - I find it more annoying that Sam didn't gain any during her time in the Program, even though she was awarded at least one in the beginning and probably has commendations coming out of her six.Originally posted by Nynaeve506 View PostI think what bugs me is that you know...PROPS person. This is what you do. Make props. I almost feel like someone was like, "Oh look! Some ribbons!" (I know they have a *lot* of props, but this one seems rather important!).
This should not perturb me this much...sigpicRamonaThePest (you know, Henry Huggins' friend)
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