Originally posted by JenniferJF
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And that's one of the sources (for me, I can't speak for Twi) that tells me there's more going on there between the three of them - at least from Ba'al towards the others - than meets the eyes.
The other thing I adore about scene is the blocking. Sam and Jack are shot almost always squarely together when facing Ba'al, and I get the strong sense of Sam supporting Jack in that faceoff. And even the shots of Ba'al from the front talking to Jack show Sam standing next to Jack as Ba'al speaks to him. It's very clear it's Sam-n-Jack facing Ba'al, not simply Jack, which also speaks to the level of their relationship. (as I think, as we discussed with the punch, Sam knows what happened to Jack and how hard it actually is for Jack to face Ba'al again and is actually consciously supporting him emotionally then.)
Plus, if you listen closely, you can hear a bit of 'the music' APA refers to as the Angst Theme right there as Jack is dying... *sob*And don't forget, the *way* Cam tells her, "I know what happened back there," implies it was something that happened *to Sam* and not to the rest of them (or he'd have been more specific, as in "I know we just lost half our team..."), some personal trauma, which she has to overcome more than the rest of them. Which implies not only that Sam and Jack are together, but that Cam knows and it's just a generally accepted thing.I was discussing that elsewhere just yesterday, actually, after having rewatched Point of View because, while there are obvious parallels throughout Continuum to PoV in what our guys go through in that timeline to what AU Sam went through in PoV, there is a very specific one right there. If you recall, in PoV when Jack first walks into the infirmary and sees Dr. Carter in the bed, she gets that same look of excitement and hope which is, also, quickly crushed when he speaks to her afterwards she says, "It's not the same between us here, is it?" Even though, as with Sam in Continuum, that Sam knew intellectually and rationally it *couldn't* really be her Jack, on a purely emotional instinctive level she still *reacted* to him as though he were. Which I think is such a *real* reaction - because *every* sense would be screaming it *was* him and I do think that would overcome internal logic. At least momentarily.
Of course, it also speaks to just how emotional Sam really is, beneath the soldier and scientist she shows the world most of the time...I also think it's interesting that, upon learning Charlie is dead, Sam immediately gives up and *knows* it's not her Jack and never can be. By then, I think Sam knows Jack intimately enough - not simply his history but the *effect* that had on him - to know that means he is solidly NOT her Jack.
I believe this is also reflected in the hangar scene with Landry. Not only does Sam seem more emotionally distraught than the other two (Daniel is EATING FCOL and Cam seems almost coldly rational) in that scene, but when Landry questions their right to change the timeline, I get a sense that Sam - more than the boys - almost immediately sees his point and that a part of her agrees. I like to think that's because Charlie is still alive... Because while she doesn't have Jack, that Jack also never experienced the incredible trauma of Charlie's death or the destruction which happened in its wake so it's easier for her to understand on an emotional level how some things in that timeline really are better... This?:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...JF/SamJack.jpg
As I've said before, we know from other incidents which I won't burn your eyes out with again that this is Flirting!Sam.. not Geek!Sam Further proof it ain't bases on the moon she's actually excited about. See, I think that's as much a Jackism as it is a Jacobism, cause I can absolutely hear Jacob saying it, too (think of their conversation in Enemies, for example) and I think is as much proof that, since Threads, Sam has become more relaxed and more *herself* than anything else. That self, though of course, also means letting herself be with Jack at last
Though you are right, too, because I think in a lot of ways Jack and Jacob are a lot alike (which is probably one of the reasons Jack and Sam are attracted to each other in the first place... er... not simply that he's like her father in any kind of Freudian way but because she's a lot like Jacob herself as Hammond observed in Tok'ra).
I do think, though, Sam's earlier line during the interview: "I don't give a rat's ass" is a pure Jackism and is not something I can hear Jacob Carter saying at all
*happy sigh*
I love that movie.
Yeah, I know I said I had an edited version of 'the real' bits.. but I also said I watch it whole a lot, too
Self-pimpage: My Continuum story (which amazingly even to me still fits within canon) Once Upon a Time which I may have to go reread now myself
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The other thing I adore about scene is the blocking. Sam and Jack are shot almost always squarely together when facing Ba'al, and I get the strong sense of Sam supporting Jack in that faceoff. And even the shots of Ba'al from the front talking to Jack show Sam standing next to Jack as Ba'al speaks to him. It's very clear it's Sam-n-Jack facing Ba'al, not simply Jack, which also speaks to the level of their relationship. (as I think, as we discussed with the punch, Sam knows what happened to Jack and how hard it actually is for Jack to face Ba'al again and is actually consciously supporting him emotionally then.)
Plus, if you listen closely, you can hear a bit of 'the music' APA refers to as the Angst Theme right there as Jack is dying... *sob*And don't forget, the *way* Cam tells her, "I know what happened back there," implies it was something that happened *to Sam* and not to the rest of them (or he'd have been more specific, as in "I know we just lost half our team..."), some personal trauma, which she has to overcome more than the rest of them. Which implies not only that Sam and Jack are together, but that Cam knows and it's just a generally accepted thing.I was discussing that elsewhere just yesterday, actually, after having rewatched Point of View because, while there are obvious parallels throughout Continuum to PoV in what our guys go through in that timeline to what AU Sam went through in PoV, there is a very specific one right there. If you recall, in PoV when Jack first walks into the infirmary and sees Dr. Carter in the bed, she gets that same look of excitement and hope which is, also, quickly crushed when he speaks to her afterwards she says, "It's not the same between us here, is it?" Even though, as with Sam in Continuum, that Sam knew intellectually and rationally it *couldn't* really be her Jack, on a purely emotional instinctive level she still *reacted* to him as though he were. Which I think is such a *real* reaction - because *every* sense would be screaming it *was* him and I do think that would overcome internal logic. At least momentarily.
Of course, it also speaks to just how emotional Sam really is, beneath the soldier and scientist she shows the world most of the time...I also think it's interesting that, upon learning Charlie is dead, Sam immediately gives up and *knows* it's not her Jack and never can be. By then, I think Sam knows Jack intimately enough - not simply his history but the *effect* that had on him - to know that means he is solidly NOT her Jack.
I believe this is also reflected in the hangar scene with Landry. Not only does Sam seem more emotionally distraught than the other two (Daniel is EATING FCOL and Cam seems almost coldly rational) in that scene, but when Landry questions their right to change the timeline, I get a sense that Sam - more than the boys - almost immediately sees his point and that a part of her agrees. I like to think that's because Charlie is still alive... Because while she doesn't have Jack, that Jack also never experienced the incredible trauma of Charlie's death or the destruction which happened in its wake so it's easier for her to understand on an emotional level how some things in that timeline really are better... This?:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...JF/SamJack.jpg
As I've said before, we know from other incidents which I won't burn your eyes out with again that this is Flirting!Sam.. not Geek!Sam Further proof it ain't bases on the moon she's actually excited about. See, I think that's as much a Jackism as it is a Jacobism, cause I can absolutely hear Jacob saying it, too (think of their conversation in Enemies, for example) and I think is as much proof that, since Threads, Sam has become more relaxed and more *herself* than anything else. That self, though of course, also means letting herself be with Jack at last
Though you are right, too, because I think in a lot of ways Jack and Jacob are a lot alike (which is probably one of the reasons Jack and Sam are attracted to each other in the first place... er... not simply that he's like her father in any kind of Freudian way but because she's a lot like Jacob herself as Hammond observed in Tok'ra).
I do think, though, Sam's earlier line during the interview: "I don't give a rat's ass" is a pure Jackism and is not something I can hear Jacob Carter saying at all
*happy sigh*
I love that movie.
Yeah, I know I said I had an edited version of 'the real' bits.. but I also said I watch it whole a lot, too
Self-pimpage: My Continuum story (which amazingly even to me still fits within canon) Once Upon a Time which I may have to go reread now myself
And for your Continuum analysis RIGHT ON... Does anyone remember the fic about the moonbase being a euphemism for fishing which is a euphemism for something else??? You know and they end up in Sam's lab... I'm too lazy to look it up.
I also can't stop laughing at the fact that you used the word "pimpage" I need sleep.
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