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After looking through the other threads, I'm thinking this is the best place to ask....
I'm new to SG-1 - having started watching it only a month or so ago. I've watched all of the first 3 seasons with delight and enjoyment. The team dynamics! The friendship! It's all good.
And now I'm part way through season 4 and I get smacked in the face by the seemingly out of nowhere but not terribly subtle Sam/Jack relationship. And I'm really just not buying it.
So, my question, does it get better? I'm guessing that it's still annoyingly there, even 3 or 4 seasons later, but is it handled any better?
ETA: After reading the last few pages of this thread, I'm guessing not I'm hoping the show's still worth watching though."Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown
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If memory serves, the ship issue doesn't really surface to any great extent until Season 7 and of course, Season 8. There are subtle suggestions now and again which can be disregarded at will.sigpic
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
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Originally posted by Girl CloneAfter looking through the other threads, I'm thinking this is the best place to ask....
I'm new to SG-1 - having started watching it only a month or so ago. I've watched all of the first 3 seasons with delight and enjoyment. The team dynamics! The friendship! It's all good.
And now I'm part way through season 4 and I get smacked in the face by the seemingly out of nowhere but not terribly subtle Sam/Jack relationship. And I'm really just not buying it.
So, my question, does it get better? I'm guessing that it's still annoyingly there, even 3 or 4 seasons later, but is it handled any better?
ETA: After reading the last few pages of this thread, I'm guessing not I'm hoping the show's still worth watching though.
As EasterLilly says, it goes underground again but never goes away.
You get good at ignoring it. Or you stop watching. Simple choice really.
Since they couldn't really do anything with the plot thread (against US Airforce regulations regarding fraternization) I would have prefered them to keep it subtle so that the shippers could have enjoyed their side of the pond and I could continue to enjoy mine.
But then I'm a slasher and we've never needed anyones permission (or badly handled canon with little chemistry - you want chemistry? Look at the Spacemonkey hug!) to do what we do, we aren't going to stop now.
Anyway, it's all a bit academic nowSpoiler:RDA has retired
FF, off to read fanfic which is much more satisfying than some of the stuff on screen.sigpic
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Originally posted by jckfan55I'm heartened by the word from J. M. that "ship" will not be a feature of Season 9.
And, sorry as I am that we are loosing our wonderful Jack, I'm hoping Sam will come out from under his shadow and stop being part of the Sam'nJack unit and become the seasoned Airforce officer/scientist again.
Whatever happened to Amanda's request, when the show started, for the writers to treat Sam as just 'one of the boys' and for them to trust her to bring the female side of her character out?
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Ah, but did he mean S/J ship? Or did he mean any ship at all? Because from what I've been reading, it sounds like there will be a fair bit of sexual innuendo- at least in the eps Vala is in- and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a continuing trend.
Likewise is the issue of who's going to be in charge of the team when Sam gets back. Personally, I can see them creating a Dave-and-Maddie sort of cranky chemistry between Sam and... er.... Browder's character. They're bickering, yes, but underneath it all is something more. Dunno about the rest of you, but I don't want to trade one leaky ship for another.
There's also the fact that Joe is notorious for his misdirection and I wouldn't put it past him to say there's no ship when, in fact, there will be lots of subtext, double-entendres and open-ended references which are not overtly shippy, but which will still be about as obvious as a brick to the side of the head.
Why start trusting what TPTB say now?
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^ I suppose it's a case of one ship at a time...
I'll be glad to see the last of the S/J ship but it's no guarantee that there won't be any suggestion of off-screen goings on BUT as long as I don't have to see Sam and Jack looking wet around each other, I can live with it.
For ship to really work on this show, the female characters need to be written a lot more convincingly. So far I haven't been very convinced...sigpic
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
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Originally posted by Easter Lily^ I suppose it's a case of one ship at a time...
I'll be glad to see the last of the S/J ship but it's no guarantee that there won't be any suggestion of off-screen goings on BUT as long as I don't have to see Sam and Jack looking wet around each other, I can live with it.
For ship to really work on this show, the female characters need to be written a lot more convincingly. So far I haven't been very convinced...
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Originally posted by astronomicalchickI agree EL, in fact I'd be even stronger about it, and say that female characters are done a real disservice on SG-1 and to a certain extent SGA. The way Sam was written all during the Pete debacle was a real example, the way Rachel Luttrell is pictured in scantily clad clothes, Vala was extremely annoying the time I saw her, was basically some sort of sex-mad caricature. In fact, female characters are written so badly I wonder why I'm still watching!
At least, TPTB certainly seem to think along those lines. Sam was once a pretty good character, now she's just reduced to her mammary glands, her reproductive organs and her overflowing tear ducts. Give me a freakin' break.
But that's probably a subject best left for another thread.
Point is, ship is bad enough, IMO, but ship which mutilates and emasculates the characters is even worse, and that's precisely what TPTB have done with Sam and Jack.
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Originally posted by ShadowMaatLikewise is the issue of who's going to be in charge of the team when Sam gets back. Personally, I can see them creating a Dave-and-Maddie sort of cranky chemistry between Sam and... er.... Browder's character. They're bickering, yes, but underneath it all is something more. Dunno about the rest of you, but I don't want to trade one leaky ship for another.
Just read A Tale of Two Cities (again) I'm sure you can't tellWhy yes, I am aware that I am too sexy for my catRIP Stargate SG-1: The iris may be closed, but the gate will always be spinning, lighting the chevrons in my heart
And to the Sci Fi Channel...
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Originally posted by Girl CloneAnd now I'm part way through season 4 and I get smacked in the face by the seemingly out of nowhere but not terribly subtle Sam/Jack relationship. And I'm really just not buying it.
So, my question, does it get better? I'm guessing that it's still annoyingly there, even 3 or 4 seasons later, but is it handled any better?
I don't see any sign of genuine attraction between them, so the episodes where the characters are spouting lines about how much they care about each other make absolutely no sense to me.
As far as I know, both Jack and Sam are going to continue to be Airforce officers in the same chain of command in S9 so they will still be unable to have any sort of romantic relationship. And
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with Jack/RDA not being around except in a couple of episodes, there can't be any of the UST that some people see on screen. So I'm hopeful that the ship will have sunk. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
Ali P
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Originally posted by Cory HolmesSee, she already has that with McKay, so why bother putting more in?
Oh, but wait - this is the anti sam/Jack ship thread. Hmmm.....my feelings are really ambivalent at this point. The main thing I wanted (by the end of S8) was for the silly thing to be resolved. It had stretched on waaaaaay too long and made both characters less interesting in my eyes.
I don't care if they're together or not. As long as its off-screen. Which seems likely since RDA is basically not in season 9. So I'm not spending much time worrying about it.
Oh, it's good to be a non-shipper.Life is hard...and it's harder if you're stupid
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Originally posted by Cory HolmesSee, she already has that with McKay, so why bother putting more in?
Pardon my bitterness.
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