Tok'ra Thunk/Discussion/Appreciation thread

[Hathor_girl]

Just found this (somewhat entertaining) quiz:

http://www.quizilla.com/users/Ribbon...%20are%20you?/

Answer the questions and it tells you which Tok'ra you are. I don't think they have coded more than a few possibilities, though.

-Skadi

Hmm, I got Aldwin, strangely enough. I never would have guessed that. I think I don't like the person that wrote the captions - he or she seems to not like the Tok'ra much.


You are Aldwyn. You perfectly match the typical tok'ra, arrogant and always going with half truths. You seem to think the end justifies the meanings, but you should know that's not always true...

[MerryK]

I've been browsing various fanfiction websites, and have been noticing a significant lack of AU stories about Sam's experience with Jolinar. I'd think everyone would hop on to all the possibilities there, but maybe there's too much prejudice against the Tok'ra. Am I looking in the wrong place? And if not, I may just have to actually write that huge plot bunny that's in my head to fill the gap in the fanfiction world.

[CaptJanson]

Just found this (somewhat entertaining) quiz:

http://www.quizilla.com/users/Ribbon...%20are%20you?/

Answer the questions and it tells you which Tok'ra you are. I don't think they have coded more than a few possibilities, though.

-Skadi

I got the same as Snotr:


You are Jacob/Selmak. You get to be the Tok'ra most loved by the Tauri, reasons obvious. You know that being a tok'ra is quite difficult, but always try to find a fair point between the point of view of the tok'ra and the tauri. Not always an easy job!

I've been browsing various fanfiction websites, and have been noticing a significant lack of AU stories about Sam's experience with Jolinar. I'd think everyone would hop on to all the possibilities there, but maybe there's too much prejudice against the Tok'ra. Am I looking in the wrong place? And if not, I may just have to actually write that huge plot bunny that's in my head to fill the gap in the fanfiction world.

Yes, it is strange that there are so few AU's about Sam/Jolinar. I am really sorry there aren't any more, because I do like Jolinar - a lot actually. I would really have liked her to live, she was a very interesting character.

I think you are right that there is too much prejudice against the Tok'ra for people to write those stories. Another issue is probably that many people ship Sam/Jack, and I would guess that having Sam share her mind and body with someone who has been madly in love with Martouf/Lantash for ~100 years is not something they like - especially with that whole "we love as one" thing - it would probably not be likely for Sam to change Jolinar's mind, and much more likely for Jolinar to change Sam's mind, given how long the relationship had been.

I have actually read 2 AU's about Sam/Jolinar. One where they killed off Martouf/Lantash (and basically all other Tok'ra), but let Sam keep Jolinar, and one where Sam/Jolinar managed to get away from Earth and to the Tok'ra. It ended with Sam just having arrived there and contemplating whether to keep Jolinar or not - mostly staying to think because the ship that should take her home was broken and needed repair. Not much of an AU collection, so I would be very happy to read your idea.

[Skadi]

What about you, Skadi?

-Snotr

You are Martouf/Lantash, one of the good ones by all means. Gentle and in love with Jolinar (due to that in love with Sam) you met a terrible end, but you'll always be remembered.

I agree with you, Hathor_girl - the writers of the quiz doesn't seem to like the Tok'ra much. I tried changing my answers to get some of the other results, and every one I managed to get seemed somewhat less than totally friendly. Strange that someone would make a Tok'ra-quiz if they don't like them.

I've been browsing various fanfiction websites, and have been noticing a significant lack of AU stories about Sam's experience with Jolinar. I'd think everyone would hop on to all the possibilities there, but maybe there's too much prejudice against the Tok'ra. Am I looking in the wrong place? And if not, I may just have to actually write that huge plot bunny that's in my head to fill the gap in the fanfiction world.

I did a rather extensive search, which actually turned up some that I hadn't read before. I found the following, which are not all good. I also seem to remember those CaptJanson mentioned, as well as one other, neither of which are included in these. So there are some, just not very many:

http://uk.geocities.com/anise01uk/startingoutagain.html
http://uk.geocities.com/anise01uk/sacredhearts.html
http://69.80.208.157/fandomnet/tokra...ry.php?sid=137
http://69.80.208.157/fandomnet/tokra...ry.php?sid=531
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2333338/1/Good_Intentions
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2857704/...e_Line_of_Duty

I would very much appreciate it if you write a fanfic about your plot bunny, MerryK!

-Skadi

[Skadi]

I did a rather extensive search, which actually turned up some that I hadn't read before. I found the following, which are not all good. I also seem to remember those CaptJanson mentioned, as well as one other, neither of which are included in these. So there are some, just not very many:

http://uk.geocities.com/anise01uk/startingoutagain.html
http://uk.geocities.com/anise01uk/sacredhearts.html
http://69.80.208.157/fandomnet/tokra...ry.php?sid=137
http://69.80.208.157/fandomnet/tokra...ry.php?sid=531
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2333338/1/Good_Intentions
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2857704/...e_Line_of_Duty

I would very much appreciate it if you write a fanfic about your plot bunny, MerryK!

-Skadi

I just realised that the last one in the above list, the "In the Line of Duty" also kills of Jolinar. It does have much interesting talk between Sam and her before that, though. If anyone is interested in reading another story like that, then I found this:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3629946/1/The_Mind_Inside

It is also a version of In the Line of Duty, where you hear the discussions between Sam and Jolinar. I think it is very good, one of the best I have read in a long time. I just really wish the author would have let Jolinar live

-Skadi

[Snotr]

I just realised that the last one in the above list, the "In the Line of Duty" also kills of Jolinar. It does have much interesting talk between Sam and her before that, though. If anyone is interested in reading another story like that, then I found this:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3629946/1/The_Mind_Inside

It is also a version of In the Line of Duty, where you hear the discussions between Sam and Jolinar. I think it is very good, one of the best I have read in a long time. I just really wish the author would have let Jolinar live

-Skadi

Poor Jolinar, I really feel sorry for her. That story - The Mind Inside, it was very, very good. I almost cried when Jolinar was killed

-Snotr

[nebulan]

Meh, we should make our own Tok'ra quiz! Maybe we could come up with a series of question types and then we can each claim a character and make questions for them.
And get better pictures too, gah!

What do you think? I mean, it would be kinda silly, after we make the quiz, who would take it except for us, the tok'ra fans? hehe. anyway, if we do it, I call Jalen

Oh it would be fun if we had some fun evil options and then at the end you find out you're Tanith, with a caption something like:
"What? You're not even Tok'ra at all, you're a goa'uld spy!"

Should we split host and symbiote? if we don't Freya/Anise could be fun like "you're sometimes forceful and very scientific, but other times you're friendly and flirty"

[Hathor_girl]

Meh, we should make our own Tok'ra quiz! Maybe we could come up with a series of question types and then we can each claim a character and make questions for them.
And get better pictures too, gah!

What do you think? I mean, it would be kinda silly, after we make the quiz, who would take it except for us, the tok'ra fans? hehe. anyway, if we do it, I call Jalen

Oh it would be fun if we had some fun evil options and then at the end you find out you're Tanith, with a caption something like:
"What? You're not even Tok'ra at all, you're a goa'uld spy!"

Should we split host and symbiote? if we don't Freya/Anise could be fun like "you're sometimes forceful and very scientific, but other times you're friendly and flirty"

I love your idea! If we do this, then I think I would like to do Aldwin.

[Skadi]

Meh, we should make our own Tok'ra quiz! Maybe we could come up with a series of question types and then we can each claim a character and make questions for them.
And get better pictures too, gah!

What do you think? I mean, it would be kinda silly, after we make the quiz, who would take it except for us, the tok'ra fans? hehe. anyway, if we do it, I call Jalen

Oh it would be fun if we had some fun evil options and then at the end you find out you're Tanith, with a caption something like:
"What? You're not even Tok'ra at all, you're a goa'uld spy!"

Should we split host and symbiote? if we don't Freya/Anise could be fun like "you're sometimes forceful and very scientific, but other times you're friendly and flirty"

I think this is a good idea, then we can get some of the lesser known Tok'ra in it too. We should have all those that were on the start of the H&H Tok'ra thread! -and I think it could be funny if Tanith is an option - and people are told they're a Goa'uld instead

I don't think we should split host and symbiote, even though I suppose that means we should have both Saroosh/Selmak and Jacob/Selmak - and, as you say, Anise/Freya will be fun

I would like to write questions/result text for Martouf/Lantash, if that's OK.

-Skadi

[MerryK]

I think this is a good idea, then we can get some of the lesser known Tok'ra in it too. We should have all those that were on the start of the H&H Tok'ra thread! -and I think it could be funny if Tanith is an option - and people are told they're a Goa'uld instead

I don't think we should split host and symbiote, even though I suppose that means we should have both Saroosh/Selmak and Jacob/Selmak - and, as you say, Anise/Freya will be fun

I would like to write questions/result text for Martouf/Lantash, if that's OK.

-Skadi

This sounds great and fun, even if only we take it. Especially the Tanith bit...brilliant! However, might I petition that the answers aren't too obvious? I mean, a quiz where extreme Tok'ra geeks might be able to guess, but not like those sorts of quizzes where you know exactly who you're going to get as you choose the answers.

[nebulan]

This sounds great and fun, even if only we take it. Especially the Tanith bit...brilliant! However, might I petition that the answers aren't too obvious? I mean, a quiz where extreme Tok'ra geeks might be able to guess, but not like those sorts of quizzes where you know exactly who you're going to get as you choose the answers.

we can compare all each other's answers before we post them to make sure there aren't any that are too similar or to obviously different... tho personally I think the Tanith ones can be

I wonder how those quiz things work anyway... does it just count up how many of a specific person's questions you clicked and you are whatever is highest? because what if we have as many questions as options and you click one of each? also, I think some questions could have half points for some characters, so just because you clicked one for selmak that could have worked with lantash, doesn't mean you don't get any points toward lantash...? I'm so confused, lol, but if we can work out an algorithm, maybe we could program this ourselves... (I use geocities, I think they let me use javascript, I'll have to see... and I've never worked with client-side only javascript, only just started working this client and server-side this year...)

[Skadi]

we can compare all each other's answers before we post them to make sure there aren't any that are too similar or to obviously different... tho personally I think the Tanith ones can be

I wonder how those quiz things work anyway... does it just count up how many of a specific person's questions you clicked and you are whatever is highest? because what if we have as many questions as options and you click one of each? also, I think some questions could have half points for some characters, so just because you clicked one for selmak that could have worked with lantash, doesn't mean you don't get any points toward lantash...? I'm so confused, lol, but if we can work out an algorithm, maybe we could program this ourselves... (I use geocities, I think they let me use javascript, I'll have to see... and I've never worked with client-side only javascript, only just started working this client and server-side this year...)

I think we should do it - and I agree, the questions shouldn't be too obvious.

I don't really know how those quizzes work - I guess that you make a number of questions with various qualitites - some of those qualitites will be shared among most of the "participating" Tok'ra, where as others match only a few, or none. You just make enough questions that all the Tok'ra can be separated from even those that match them relatively closely in character. You would maybe do something like;

Lets say you have Saroosh/Selmak, Martouf/Lantash, and Egeria - they would all get a point for host and/or symbiote is "kind and friendly", but maybe only Martouf/Lantash would get a point for host and/or symbiote is "passionate". Then you continue with "known to have a great sense of humour" and gets Saroosh/Selmak separated out for that - and so on. (I guess even these questions are a bit obvious since it is all stuff that is mentioned directly on the show, but we don't have anything else to work with )

-Skadi

[Snotr]

Meh, we should make our own Tok'ra quiz! Maybe we could come up with a series of question types and then we can each claim a character and make questions for them.
And get better pictures too, gah!

What do you think? I mean, it would be kinda silly, after we make the quiz, who would take it except for us, the tok'ra fans? hehe. anyway, if we do it, I call Jalen

Oh it would be fun if we had some fun evil options and then at the end you find out you're Tanith, with a caption something like:
"What? You're not even Tok'ra at all, you're a goa'uld spy!"

Should we split host and symbiote? if we don't Freya/Anise could be fun like "you're sometimes forceful and very scientific, but other times you're friendly and flirty"

I really like this idea! I can write Anise/Freya, but perhaps each should write more than one Tok'ra? There are several:

Jolinar of Malkshur / Rosha
Martouf / Lantash
Selmak / Jacob Carter
Aldwin
Anise / Freya
Dr. Raleigh
Egeria
Garshaw of Belote / Yosuuf
Jalen
Kelmaa
Korra a.k.a. Kel'tar
Lord Khonsu of Amon Shek
Malek
Per'sus
Ren'aul
Sina
Ta'seem
Thoran
Zarin
Delek

-Snotr

[Skadi]

I really like this idea! I can write Anise/Freya, but perhaps each should write more than one Tok'ra? There are several:

Jolinar of Malkshur / Rosha
Martouf / Lantash
Selmak / Jacob Carter
Aldwin
Anise / Freya
Dr. Raleigh
Egeria
Garshaw of Belote / Yosuuf
Jalen
Kelmaa
Korra a.k.a. Kel'tar
Lord Khonsu of Amon Shek
Malek
Per'sus
Ren'aul
Sina
Ta'seem
Thoran
Zarin
Delek

-Snotr

and

Saroosh/Selmak
Sam/Jolinar

True, there are a lot. We should probably even write for three or four. I will take Martouf/Lantash, Rosha/Jolinar, Sam/Jolinar, and Egeria. Snotr, you will do Anise/Freya, and Hathor_girl would do Aldwin. nebulan will do Jalen. Could you each take maybe one or two more? And maybe someone else is interested in participating?

-Skadi

[Snotr]

and

Saroosh/Selmak
Sam/Jolinar

True, there are a lot. We should probably even write for three or four. I will take Martouf/Lantash, Rosha/Jolinar, Sam/Jolinar, and Egeria. Snotr, you will do Anise/Freya, and Hathor_girl would do Aldwin. nebulan will do Jalen. Could you each take maybe one or two more? And maybe someone else is interested in participating?

-Skadi

I can do Delek and Korra, aside from Anise/Freya, is that OK with you guys?

-Snotr