Tok'ra Thunk/Discussion/Appreciation thread

[GeneralSelmak]

Wow - long post! Yes...I think the Goa'uld probably came back to get 'exotic' hosts and slaves, maybe even without Ra knowing. Also, about the timeline - I think they just messed up on the show.

I agree - didn't they also give different times for the rebellion on Earth? Either in two different episodes, or in the episodes compared to the movie.

[Jalnor]

Yeah, they've been fairly inconsistent with their timelineyness, but I think the implication is that they've wandered back to Earth from time to time by ship for one settlement or another. Probably without Ra knowing and, at least later, without them even being sure it was the Tau'ri - looking at Ba'al talking in Continuum about it being a world lost to them and he had to give the other Goa'uld the address. Suggests they didn't even keep it in their databases.

[GeneralSelmak]

Yeah, they've been fairly inconsistent with their timelineyness, but I think the implication is that they've wandered back to Earth from time to time by ship for one settlement or another. Probably without Ra knowing and, at least later, without them even being sure it was the Tau'ri - looking at Ba'al talking in Continuum about it being a world lost to them and he had to give the other Goa'uld the address. Suggests they didn't even keep it in their databases.

I agree - however, the Tok'ra seem to have known about the Tau'ri and that it was them who killed Ra? Did they not say so in Tok'ra I&II? Could they have had an operative on Abydos? They certainly knew about the planet, as Martouf said something about Rosha having hair the colour of the sands of Abydos. Unless that was a saying? Sounded like he had been there?

[Jalnor]

I think it's more likely there was an inside man on Ra's mothership at the time - or Ra had communicated with another base about the situation and the Tok'ra had overheard it.
Either way, they put 2+2 together when Ra's mothership dropped off their galactic chart But yeah, they obviously had some experience of Abydos, it's been the subject of a few guessworks.

[Skadi]

Tok'ra picspam

[Skadi]

Don't remember if I posted these fic links, but I don't think so. They are all S/M ship and most are quite good.

This first story have five parts, and only one of them really has any ship.

Roundelay I (Selmak). Sam goes through a lot of pain while being host to a Goa'uld, Selmak's POV. PG13
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1274772/...delay_I_Selmak

Roundelay II (Lantash). Sequel to Roundelay I, Lantash's POV. PG13 http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1274775/...lay_II_Lantesh

Roundelay III (Erinye). Sequel to Roundelay II, Erinye's POV after Sam is saved from the Goa'uld. PG13
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1274778/...lay_III_Erinye

Roundelay IV (Triptych). Sequel to Roundelay III, Martouf, Narim, and Samantha's POV. After Sam is rescued from the Goa'uld. PG13 http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1274782/...ay_IV_Triptych

Roundelay V: Refrain. Sequel to Roundelay IV. Sam finally gets well after being host to a Goa'uld. PG13 S/M
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1274811/...elay_V_Refrain



Stasis. When Martouf awoke he had no idea where he was, how he got there, or where Lantash was. From there on it got worse. Sam/Martouf/Lantash PG13
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1649519/1/Stasis

First Kiss Challenge's response. A missing scene from 'The Tok'ra part 2'. Sam/Martouf/Lantash G
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2254688/...lenge_response

Fashion Statement. Sam/Martouf/Lantash drabble. PG http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2760942/1/Fashion_Statement

Exploration: Earth, Well, Some Parts of America. What the title says. Some Tok'ra visits USA. S/M. Slight Aldwin/Malek PG13
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3451202/...rts_of_America

The New Guy. Mark (Sam's brother) meets Sam's new boyfriend, Martouf. S/M. PG
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3260033/1/The_New_Guy

New Life. Sam, Daniel, and some Tok'ra wake up on a planet without their memory - and with some of the symbiotes in the wrong hosts. S/M. PG13 http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3071577/1/New_Life

Too Hard to Say Goodbye. What if Martouf hadn't left at the end of Ripple Effect? PG-13. S/M
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3005404/...to_say_goodbye

Worthy Adversaries. On a visit to Earth Martouf has to compete with Rodney McKay for Sam's attention. Martouf.:.Sam.:.Rodney McKay. PG-13. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3019694/...hy_Adversaries

Love At First Sight. Several months after 'Divide and Conquer' Sam falls in love again, but in a different way. PG SML
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3193372/...At_First_Sight

The Question. Martouf prepares to propose to Sam. S/M established. PG-13 http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3864192/1/The_Question

The Artifact. Fifty years ago the Tok'ra found an unknown artifact. Two other groups quickly took notice. SML established. PG-13 http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4523126/1/The_Artifact

Incomplete

A Path Not Taken. Martouf and Lantash do not die after D & C, but neither are they blended. Martouf becomes a temporary, but longterm, member of SG1. Follows events as Martouf's presence changes some of their outcomes. Eventual SamMartoufLantash. Incomplete, but chapters posted now and then. PG-13. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3428729/1/A_Path_Not_Taken

[Hathor_girl]

Worthy Adversaries are fun Thanks for posting that link, I had forgotten about it

[CaptJanson]

I agree - I also liked "The New Guy".

[MerryK]

I agree - I also liked "The New Guy".

Yes, that one was quite good.

[Stargate4Eva]

The Tok'ra were the good guys right? thats what it seems like on SG-1, I just started watching recently.

[MerryK]

The Tok'ra were the good guys right? thats what it seems like on SG-1, I just started watching recently.

Yes, they were the good guys, although SG-1 didn't always approve of what they did.

[Skadi]

Definitively the good guys! They've been fighting a just cause for the good of the Galaxy for many many centuries. But the SGC don't always understand them - and especially not the fact that as an illegal resistance they need to keep much of what they do a secret, even to their allies.

Oh - and welcome, Stargate4Eva

[Hathor_girl]

Hello, Stargate4Eva *waves*

[Snotr]

We learn in some episode or other that the symbiotes need special environment to survive outside a host - not just being in water, they need a weak current, and other stuff not specified (presumably also nourishment, but I wouldn't qualify that as 'special environment requirements'). This seems to be the case if they have either been in a host or in a Jaffa, but not if they have never been either (I think they say). We also see both those on their home world and Egerias's kids swimming around in what seems to be normal water.

So, what happens to them after they have been in a host? Perhaps they don't just change the hosts body chemistry (we know they do this - Sam is, among other things, way more resistant to drugs etc.), but change themselves as well, so as to function as well in their environment as possible? At the cost of not being able to live outside a host again.

[GeneralSelmak]

We learn in some episode or other that the symbiotes need special environment to survive outside a host - not just being in water, they need a weak current, and other stuff not specified (presumably also nourishment, but I wouldn't qualify that as 'special environment requirements'). This seems to be the case if they have either been in a host or in a Jaffa, but not if they have never been either (I think they say). We also see both those on their home world and Egerias's kids swimming around in what seems to be normal water.

So, what happens to them after they have been in a host? Perhaps they don't just change the hosts body chemistry (we know they do this - Sam is, among other things, way more resistant to drugs etc.), but change themselves as well, so as to function as well in their environment as possible? At the cost of not being able to live outside a host again.

Sounds likely - they expect to spend the rest of their (very long...10000+) years in a host, so it makes sense to optimize to being there if they are able to, even if it means they can't go back to the lake - why would they even want to? Must be incredibly frustrating to swim around in a lake unable to do much else, when you are sentient and have the knowledge for a technological civilization - you just need hands etc. and the ability to walk on land. My guess is they want to stay in hosts or die.