If sam must've known somewhere deep down jack was right or she would have protested more, me thinks.
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I really don't think so...Protesting out loud would've alerted Fifth that something was amiss. So there were only really two sides she could've taken: with Fifth, or with Jack. No middle ground there.
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Apparently...his unofficial backstory is this:
He was convicted of stealing cars and joyriding, and was given a choice of Jail or one of the Armed Forces.
Remember other drugs comments...
The Devil you Know
Jack: And then they gave me something...that reminded me of the seventies...
The Light
Jack
when he's told he's addicted to the Light) After all those years of just saying no
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I'm not so sure about that. IMO it's not a question about him not wanting to believe there could be any good in Fifth, he simply couldn't risk it. His one and only priority was to get the time device working and bring his team home safely and in order to achive that goal he was willing to risk losing a potentially powerful ally in Fifth. Better safe than sorry, so to speak.Originally posted by Osiris-RAComment
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Remember too whenever Daniel was addicted to the sarcophagus in Season Two's "Need":
O'NEILL: DANIEL! God...What are you going to do, DANIEL? Do you want to kill me? Oh God, look at you. I know what this is. I know what it's like. You can get through it...
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"And what about that pesky moral stuff?"Originally posted by Feli
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I agree that he thought it was necessary for the reasons you gave, but he didn't even really consider the moral issue. That's what makes it "dark" to me.
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I think that Sam knew that any protestations would fall on deaf ears. When Jack makes up his mind, he rarely changes it. I don't believe Sam was even remotely comfortable with the idea of leaving Fifth.....and I don't think she ever truly came to terms with it. But Jack was her commanding officer....period. Just my opinion.Originally posted by fan of jackIf sam must've known somewhere deep down jack was right or she would have protested more, me thinks. I can't see this causing sam to lose trust in jack, shes always trusted him, disagreed with him but always trusted him!
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Farrah: "A swordsman does not fear death, if he dies with honor."
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And in Divide and Conquer:Originally posted by girlgater
"Hey, I've done the whole drugged out, strapped to the bed thing..."
Not exactly sure to what he might be referring to here, but certainly an insight into his darker side. I think another ep that shows 'dark jack' is Shades of Grey from Season 3. I know he's only acting, but the way he completly blows out his team and steals the technology... it's very believable. We wouldn't be taken in if we didn't suspect Jack had this dark side.
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I don't think this is "dark" in the normal sense, but the way Jack treated Rothman in Forever in a Day really bothered me. Jack is loyal to "his" people to the point of cliquishness. If he didn't like Rothman, he certainly didn't have to freeze him out and lie about him. Then when Daniel returned, the way he said "You're being replaced" without any attempt at explanation or concern for Rothman seems like a darker bit of Jack.
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Two points by way of explanation, not excuse:Originally posted by yasureubetcha
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I think Daniel's had a major effect on Jack in that respect (even in a non-slashy way, mind you). You see in the film, how Jack was totally prepared to blow Abydos, but it was Daniel's efforts that helped him realize that there was an alternative...Originally posted by Feli
Daniel is Jack's conscience...he's the one that gives Jack options, shows him other ways of doing things. I think if Daniel wasn't such a major influence in Jack's life, we'd see a lot more of "dark" moments from Jack.Comment
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I don't think Jack had any moral issue with leaving Fifth behind because Fifth was a machine. Yes, he had a "humanish" presence that was basically good until he was betrayed, but he was still a machine.
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I agree, though Daniel has also (by being Jack's foil) showed off some of his darker moments, as in Red Sky, Beast of Burden, Scorched Earth, Menace, etc.Daniel is Jack's conscience...he's the one that gives Jack options, shows him other ways of doing things. I think if Daniel wasn't such a major influence in Jack's life, we'd see a lot more of "dark" moments from Jack.
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I will admit there are darkside to Jack but it good side outweights his bad. It makes him a better character and daniel is his "better half" if he was dark then sam would never have taken thier relationship so high.Comment
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Definitely...because Daniel is the type to look for options, it only makes it more obvious that what Jack is doing might not exactly be right...Originally posted by yasureubetcha
The Other Side is the best ep for showing that, IMHO. Jack's willing to jump into bed with the psycho Eurondans, and Daniel clearly knows that something's up...if it weren't for Daniel's opinion, it wouldn't be nearly as obvious that Jack wasn't exactly thinking things through the way he should've been.Comment
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Great comments all. I have to agree about The Other Side... that one is perhaps the coldest example in my mind... the camera staring into his dark, cold, unremorseful eyes... chilly. There's no room for doubt what he is doing and you know that look is coming from somewhere very deep and very buried.
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