Sam Carter/Jack O'Neill Ship Discussion Thread

[AmberLM]

That's true. Have you had a chance to take a look at "Half Life" yet Amber?

Yep, it's a great start! I'll be interested to see how Sam fits into it all

[Sparky She-Demon]

Yep, it's a great start! I'll be interested to see how Sam fits into it all

Did I give a good mental image of Cora?

[AmberLM]

Did I give a good mental image of Cora?

Yeah you did I wonder how she'll take to Sam?

[Sparky She-Demon]

Yeah you did I wonder how she'll take to Sam?

That you'll have to wait and see!

[hlndncr]

The party is on the Shipsgiving Thread for the next 24 hours!

[Sparky She-Demon]

And what a party it was!

[hlndncr]

I just wanted to keep this thread from falling off the page!

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

My Shipmas renditon of O Christmas Tree

O Shipmas Tree, O Shipmas Tree
Thy Time is here once again.
Oh Shipmas tree, Oh Shipmas tree,
The Time is here once again
Oh Shipmas Tree, O Shipmas Tree
Much pleasure do you bring us!
Each shining shipper
Each shipper post
No one alive spreads cheer so well
Oh Shipmas tree, Oh Shipmas tree,
You'll never be unchanging

[Zoser]

Hlndncr's review of 2010

Spoiler:

This review is long overdue and I apologize. Unfortunately, I still don't have the time to give it the love it deserves as this is one of my all time favorite episodes.

by Blacky Kitten

Summary
The world is slowly overrun by genocidal accountants. SG-1 realizes the trap they've all fallen into but too late. Except Jack had warned them long ago. They decide to take it all back. Doing Galaxy Quest style maneuvers (but Jack doesn't lose his shirt - darn!) and facing down a bunch of deadly laser pointers the team all parish, but the world is still saved because none of this ever happened . . . err, will happen . . . is happening? (I hate tenses and time travel!) Oh, and Walter gets his name.

Favorite Scene
Hands down for me the scene with Jack and Sam at the cabin is the best of many great scenes. I know there were changes from the original script where Jack walks away instead of Sam. Someone around here has posted it before, but I don't think I could find it again. Anyway, as the scene is played it just is oozing with angst, which is the way I like it. There's hurt and jealousy and pain and still this unresolved longing and unassailable attraction even after years of separation all swirling between them like a sharknado.

Favorite Line
"And we're walking!" That bubble headed tour guide just makes me giggle. Seriously, how can SG-1 not be her favorite team?! But she was right about the "embarkation room." If you watch the early first season episodes even Daniel called it that.

Analysis and Observations
For me this is a near perfect episode. It was a unique, interesting and very satisfying story, but there was room for more and I'm happy they revisited all of this again in the next season. One of the problems for me with time travel stories, which I love, is that when things are put right I'm left feeling a little empty like I'm the only one who showed up at my own surprise party because none of our characters actually had these experiences. I'm changed from knowing something about the possibilities but the characters aren't. So it was a nice idea IMHO to re-approach the Aschen in the context of the "true" timeline.

Now that we have actually passed 2010 one can't help but think about what is the same and what is different from this little detour into and alternate timeline. And you have to ask yourself weather SG-1 did the right thing erasing ten years from the existence. After all they didn't just changed their own lives, they transformed the entire history of the galaxy, possibly two galaxies if you consider that Atlantis was likely never discovered in the Aschen timeline.

So what is the same?
Sadly General Hammond (or really DSD) did die of a sudden heart attack.
Jacob also appears to have died in both timelines (although it is not explicitly stated).
Sam did get promoted to Colonel.
The Goa'uld were defeated and the Jaffa freed.

The differences however are huge!
Kinsey became VP not Pres., resigned in disgrace and eventually got snaked.
Janet did not survive *sniffle*.
The Tollan were wiped out.
Teal'c has hair and no symbiote. He does still have the mark of Apophis.
We are still waiting for the stargate program to become public.

So SG-1 saved the human race, still managed to free the galaxy from goa'uld domination, but many of the overall outcome for themselves personally is still a mixed bag. Was it worth it? Well as a shipper of course I'm going to say yes!

So this brings me to the always sticky subject of Sam's other admires. Now Joe Faxon is really in a class by himself because while the timeline was erased we know that there is at least one scenario in which Sam would choose to marry him. And I think, despite everything, she does love him even at the end. That makes him interesting to me. He's the only person I think was ever a real and serious threat to Jack's place at Sam's side. We know the Jack who lived through the Aschen timeline felt it. The scene between them in Sam's lab is just bristling with Alpha male posturing and hostile verile energy.

My opinion of Joe is that he is the anti-Jack. He's smooth and cool. He operates within the system. He's soft spoken and charming. But he's still got the intelligence, charisma and wit to rise above his peers. And honestly for me while he seems all straight laced I can see a bit of a daredevil bad boy lurking in him. He did swipe that GDO off the President's desk without a bit of difficulty. I can see why Sam would go for him. He's real competition.

But is he a good guy? He did after all agree to the secret sterilization of a large portion of the human race. He was double crossed, but still in on it to a certain extent. I'm not saying I give him a pass for that. But as someone who has worked in high levels of Washington politics I can totally see how even a good person who is generally quite savvy could unwittingly find themselves lunging toward the wrong side of ethical in a situation like that.

I have more to say on this topic, but I think it would be better placed in a discussion about 2001 comparing Aschen timeline Joe to our timeline Joe.

At any rate I love Joe. Since Sam doesn't want him (and I can't have Jack) I'd gladly take Joe for myself. No complaints here.

Sam and Jack
The angstiness just oozes out of this episode. So many moments of just palpable regret and longing. Clearly they still love each other very much despite all the bad memories, arguments and regrets. Jack still cares deeply about Sam's happiness even when he is trying to hide it. And Sam can't hide the fact that her own frustration at him is born of a deep need to hold on to their connection.

I really glad they did not end up this way. But a part of me regrets that they didn't go through something like this. I know I'm mean to want them to be tortured by the angst because it gives me a thrill. But it would have been nice if their would have been real, true barriers in the way they had to overcome. I mean they had the regs, but that was just a fear of the unknown and a lack of imagination on their part. A real threat to their relationship from a worthy suitor and an a principled philosophical disagreement that would have created true doubts as to their compatibility is just so much more interesting than what we got. Of course, after overcoming all that I would have been even more annoyed at their relationship not receiving the resolution it deserved; so I really shouldn't complain.

Anyway this ep is a 10/10 in my book and the shippiness is a close 9/10. I'm always wanting more.

Nothing like coming late to the dance!

Excellent review of a great episode

"But a part of me regrets that they didn't go through something like this."
All I can think of is Carter showing Jack the ring.

[Sparky She-Demon]

Can't wait to start the next season of rewatching!

[hlndncr]

The Shipmas Thread is now OPEN!


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[Skydiver]

Just a word, I know there have been issues with a plagiarist in the past few months.
That person defied the moderator's directive and has now been banned.

[Zoser]

Merry Christmas to all

[Sparky She-Demon]

Merry Christmas Everybody!

[iiradned]

Happy Holidays!