Sam Carter/Jack O'Neill Ship Discussion Thread

[Sparky She-Demon]

Demons showed one of the worse sides of Christianity.

[AmberLM]

Demons showed one of the worse sides of Christianity.

Yeah it's not really the religion I have an issue with in RL (well, no more so than any other, but that's a story for another day), I just find the episodes based on that particular religion rather dull and predictable. "Priest goes power-mad and does something bad/Religious group believes God will save them and everyone else shakes their head in disapproval" plots are just a cliche to me.

Gimme Ba'al any day! At least he's somewhat witty and original.

[Sparky She-Demon]

And Ba'al is much nicer to look at then that fat, old cleric!

[AmberLM]

And Ba'al is much nicer to look at then that fat, old cleric!

*high-fives Sparky* Amen, sister!

[Sparky She-Demon]

*high-fives Sparky* Amen, sister!

Very true. He's also much more funny!

[Ikorni]

Yeah it's not really the religion I have an issue with in RL (well, no more so than any other, but that's a story for another day), I just find the episodes based on that particular religion rather dull and predictable. "Priest goes power-mad and does something bad/Religious group believes God will save them and everyone else shakes their head in disapproval" plots are just a cliche to me.

Gimme Ba'al any day! At least he's somewhat witty and original.

Unfortunately S9-10 sounded like this.

[AmberLM]

Unfortunately S9-10 sounded like this.

And that's why I have not seen most of the last two seasons, they were too painful to watch with Sam and Teal'c getting shoved aside in favour of the new guys and the unimaginative plot with the Ori.

[IamDKScully]

And that's why I have not seen most of the last two seasons, they were too painful to watch with Sam and Teal'c getting shoved aside in favour of the new guys and the unimaginative plot with the Ori.

But Season 10 did give Sam a couple of good eps...Ripple Effect,The Road Not Taken, and Line in the Sand. Although TRNT does end a little abruptly, I love the scenes with of course And I just rewatched Ripple Effect the other day and it is really funny! "I got nuthin'...yet."

As for the Ori...gotta go read a bedtime story will have to address that later...

[picardythirds]

New Ground

General Review:
A good but frustrating episode. The Bedrosians are really annoying in their stubbornness and generally aggressive demeanor, and even though it's completely understandable - especially given that they are dealing with the military - it gets tiring quickly. I like the weapons they used, and the electric cages are very cool (and really represent a classic SG-1 image to me).

Agreed - I liked that it was a brand new civilization we'd not seen before and also not primitive (or rather, not more primitive than earth ) I like episodes where the team is on "equal footing" so to speak because they create interest.

Also, the fact that Nyan is kept on (not just at the SGC but as Daniel's research assistant) and is then never seen or even mentioned again is very annoying. Stargate is usually pretty good at continuity, but they don't even try here. Unless they intended to bring the character back, then why end the episode like that? There was a ton of different things they could have done with Nyan which wouldn't have required us to ever see him again, but it sets up expectations that are never fulfilled. Silly.

Agreed! At least with Cassie, they mentioned her even if they didn't show her all that often. Nyan just disappeared without so much as a poof. And what happened to him when Daniel Ascended?

The show also hits a new level for special effects here. The bats in the cave are excellent, all the various weapon blasts during the big fight and notably the shuttle crash is great. It doesn't stand up by today's standards at all, but in terms of what the show had done up to this point it's marks a new level.

I quite liked the forcefield they used to capture SG1. That was cool

- A bit of a coincidence that the SGC dial up the planet the very moment that it is uncovered. Carter's explanation of the cold-dialing program doesn't really make sense either. She says "we've got a hit" before the connection has even been made. Until the 7th chevron locks, you never know if the connection will be successful.

I always assumed that the dialing computer was just dialing these random addresses when the gate was not in use (perhaps they set a time in the wee hours of the SGC night?).

Also, I was under the impression that the Gate had been unburied for a while - they just happened to dial in at the tail end of the excavation. It is a bit of a co-incidence, but if the gate had been burried before, there would be no lock.

- First real use of the portable naquadah reactor in a standard off-world mission setting, and it makes it clear that it works in place of a DHD for manual dialing. Nice to have these things clarified. I wonder how many the SGC has, and did Carter build them all?

Good catch here. I watched this ep originally out of sequence so I had no idea. I'm thinking Carter built the first few and then taught others how to build them.


Overall, actually I like this episode because of the things it touches on - the whole Optrician/Bedrosian ideology thing along with Nyan's slow realisation and willingness to change was well done. Kudos to the actor. He was sincere (if at times a bit annoying) with his "I'm a scientist. When I find evidence that my theories are wrong, it is as exciting as if they were correct."

I also like that while it links to the overall mythos of sg1, it is a good stand alone episode that does not rely on previous ones to be understood.

The writers did a good job of making the Bedrosians unlikable. I throughly dislike Rigar, who wouldn't even listen to his aide (who was also starting to have doubts) and consider another point of view. The episode did paint a good picture of what might happen if one were to have one's worldview shattered. There are people who would take it like Nyan, with wonder and curiosity , like the aide (who, while skeptical, was willing to ask questions.), and Rigar, who clung onto the "old ways" for real life because of his hatred for the Optricians.

This episode ranks quite a bit higher than Demons for me. Though I am Christian, I found Demons hard to watch...it moved so slowly!

I also think this episode would have been more compelling had we seen some of the Optrician's side of the story - but probably budget contraints. They used a lot of $$ on the ep already in the cool special effects. and the guns. creating a new world is a strain on the budget!

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

i am glad that jack zatted rygar but i wish he actually killed that guy. i remember when this episode first aired back in 2000, i was waiting for jack to shoot him twice and not once.

[SaraBahama]

Did anybody mention as far as S/J: when they are in the cages, it seems that Jack is really trying to keep the attention off of Sam...trying to draw the focus to himself (maybe to spare her the pain).

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

wow three days without any posts. where is everyone?

[IamDKScully]

wow three days without any posts. where is everyone?

School shopping? Vacation? Hang over from Hades?

[neverendingimagination]

Wow it is quiet. Eek I need to get a wriggle on with my review. I've got a few days grace though.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

i believe we were maternal instinct right?