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Originally posted by RealmOfX View PostOf course it is fair, they know the time frame they have to work with and they idiotically say "we don't know what to do" with one of the most versatile characters they have. Talk about lousy excuses.
season 9 should have been the sam-daniel-teal'c show, co-starring anyone else.sally
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Originally posted by suse View PostOkay, so they *might* (maybe) have had an idea of what they wanted to do with Sam. How about they were trying to figure out how to reduce their SG-1 female lead to part time on 2 shows? Which would mean she would be a lead in neither? This is important in tv-land.
Originally posted by majorsal View Postseason 9 should have been the sam-daniel-teal'c show, co-starring anyone else.
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Is it possible because both O'Neill and Mitchell were strictly military men who would lead a team, but Sam was a scientist and a soldier and couldn't operate simply as the guy who theoretically would only say, "OK, move out, that's an order!" One could argue that she and Daniel are portrayed as literally saving the galaxy on many occasions. It's more than simply being a military leader.
Her work in science was irreplaceable, and she probably couldn't have even become General of the SGC to sit behind a desk and simply answer, "It's a go!" or "Open the iris!"
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostYou're forgetting that the shows aired back-to-back on the same network and night. 20 episodes is 20 episodes, no?
I liked Vala, but as for Mitchell... I'll agree. Let him lead the team until Carter returns, then have him surrender leadership to her. Why couldn't Amanda Tapping have gotten top billing with Carter as team leader? She can't star in SG-1, but she can star in Sanctuary? Both shows on the same network. Nonsense.
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Originally posted by Dave2 View PostIs it possible because both O'Neill and Mitchell were strictly military men who would lead a team, but Sam was a scientist and a soldier and couldn't operate simply as the guy who theoretically would only say, "OK, move out, that's an order!" One could argue that she and Daniel are portrayed as literally saving the galaxy on many occasions. It's more than simply being a military leader.
Her work in science was irreplaceable, and she probably couldn't have even become General of the SGC to sit behind a desk and simply answer, "It's a go!" or "Open the iris!"Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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I regret that I haven't watched SG Atlantis so I haven't seen her be a commander and taken away from her unique scientific work. But I guess that answers your question. Had SG1 continued, perhaps she would have become the General in charge of the SGC as long as she didn't have to have that slimy Woolsley looking over her shoulder.
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Originally posted by Dave2 View PostIs it possible because both O'Neill and Mitchell were strictly military men who would lead a team, but Sam was a scientist and a soldier and couldn't operate simply as the guy who theoretically would only say, "OK, move out, that's an order!" One could argue that she and Daniel are portrayed as literally saving the galaxy on many occasions. It's more than simply being a military leader.
Originally posted by Dave2 View PostHer work in science was irreplaceable, and she probably couldn't have even become General of the SGC to sit behind a desk and simply answer, "It's a go!" or "Open the iris!"
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Basically episode 15 in Season 10......
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostWho's to say that she could not both lead and be of scientific expertise? Are you forgetting her leadership in Season 8? She only shared leadership with Mitchell in Seasons 9&10, because the producers would rather give the starlight to Ben Browder than Amanda Tapping. Boneheads.
Except that's exactly what eventually happens. Not at the SGC, but... wait... how far into SG are you?
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostI liked Vala, but as for Mitchell... I'll agree. Let him lead the team until Carter returns, then have him surrender leadership to her. Why couldn't Amanda Tapping have gotten top billing with Carter as team leader? She can't star in SG-1, but she can star in Sanctuary? Both shows on the same network. Nonsense.
This had more to do with the network's idea/ideal that a show like stargate needed a MALE lead. After all action adventure,gotta have a man in charge.
the whole 'co-leaders' mess was a result of this. Skiffy saying the show needed a male lead, tptb trying to make him youthful and 'fun', hten having to reconcile that, with Carter in the show, he can't be youthful and fun and still be the 'lead' because, to them/skiffy, being the lead meant being in charge but a 10 year veteran and lt colonel can't be commanded by a younger man since he'd also be lower ranked.
it was basically a mess.
Season 9 and 10 were very messy because they tried to make the show and its characters so much that happened to also be contradictory and just made the whole show a giant oxymoron mess.
Vala had promise. Coop came up with a good idea, but the execution was poor. And, unfortunately, it didn't matter if she got oodles and oodles of air time and lines, being 'good' isn't defined by how much air time you have but what you do with it.
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I somewhat warmed up to the character just a bit through repeated viewings but ending SG-1's 10 year run should have seen a build-up toward the end, much like season 8 with Reckoning 1-2, Threads, then Mobeius 1-2. Unending was pretty good but that god-awful episode with Vala's dad running a bingo scam at the old-folks home as episode 18 or 19 out of 20 was not a proud stargate moment.
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostThat's not necessarily true. There were plenty of options...
#1: Stay on SG-1, appear once or a few times on Atlantis. (what actually happened)
#2: Stay on SG-1 (the team), but as a special guest star. She appears in about ten episodes. Her absences are explained away as helping the Atlantis Expedition. On Atlantis, she is paired up with McKay in a recurring role as an SGC asset sent in for problems that the McKay-Zelenka duo cannot handle on their own. I'm not sure how this would work without making McKay look #2 to Carter or reducing Zelenka's role.
#3: Carter is given command of a ship, something that eventually happened. I suspect it would be the Odyssey. I wouldn't be surprised given it's large role in Season 10 and Mitch Pileggi's (Caldwell) reduced availability.
#4: Carter's no longer affiliated with SG-1 but rather the SGC. She's simply sent where needed. This could mean helping SG-1, helping Atlantis, commanding the Odyssey, coordinating from an off world base, and so on.
There are other options, but you get the idea. It's not fair to the producers and writers to say they didn't have a clue. The simple answer: they hadn't reached a decision.
#3 has been discussed in the past. I understand (from GW, not officially) there has pretty much been talk of moving Carter over every year. She was supposed to go on the original mission (I'm not sure how that would have worked - would she be the Sheppard character, Weir, or McKay??), again after s8 (presumably she would have been in command of the Deadalus) and the intended end of SG-1, then various options for s9/10 (including command of the Odyssey with her being the bridge between the series). IMO, the problem with this is that is weakens AT's "brand". If she's only being seen here and there then she becomes a little irrelevant, almost an add on.
#4 is an interesting idea. It's probably the most practical for story purposes, so long as they didn't come up with a convoluted excuse for her being there each time.
There's also:
#5 have her be General Landry's Chief of Staff, and help out on missions on an "as needed" basis. This would likely be fairly boring though
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostYou're forgetting that the shows aired back-to-back on the same network and night. 20 episodes is 20 episodes, no?
I liked Vala, but as for Mitchell... I'll agree. Let him lead the team until Carter returns, then have him surrender leadership to her. Why couldn't Amanda Tapping have gotten top billing with Carter as team leader? She can't star in SG-1, but she can star in Sanctuary? Both shows on the same network. Nonsense.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostHave you been watching Atlantis? The fourth season of that show answers the question of what would happen if Carter had been promoted out of SG-1.
Originally posted by Skydiver View PostThis had more to do with the network's idea/ideal that a show like stargate needed a MALE lead. After all action adventure,gotta have a man in charge.
the whole 'co-leaders' mess was a result of this. Skiffy saying the show needed a male lead, tptb trying to make him youthful and 'fun', hten having to reconcile that, with Carter in the show, he can't be youthful and fun and still be the 'lead' because, to them/skiffy, being the lead meant being in charge but a 10 year veteran and lt colonel can't be commanded by a younger man since he'd also be lower ranked.
it was basically a mess.
Season 9 and 10 were very messy because they tried to make the show and its characters so much that happened to also be contradictory and just made the whole show a giant oxymoron mess.
Vala had promise. Coop came up with a good idea, but the execution was poor. And, unfortunately, it didn't matter if she got oodles and oodles of air time and lines, being 'good' isn't defined by how much air time you have but what you do with it.sigpic
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