Gateworld Virtual Fleet 4.0 - Discussion thread

[thekillman]

Since you like downsides, their f.t.l technologies would be more expensive. Perhaps they would require bigger parts as well.

their advantage would only work at home. anywhere else, it's as much of a disadvantage to them as their home is a disadvantage to others.


i'd like you to consider this:

good stories are not about how people succeed, they're about how people fail. limits are far better storytellers than the limitless.

[Gormagon]

Er, wouldent more robust technology be less susceptible to being damaged in battle ? Or overloads? But in general yes, their advantage would mostly be in their own space.

Although I just had an idea, if they expanded outside their own space and had ship building facilities out there, they wouldent need the bulky drives.

good stories are not about how people succeed, they're about how people fail. limits are far better storytellers than the limitless.

kk. Ill work on that.

Heres a concept if your doing something with zombies in your story, the "undead" or infected or mutated or w/e are unaware that they are so, their brains are rewired. To their perceptions, other, "normal" people seem like the weird or bad guys. Just an idea.

[thekillman]

Er, wouldent more robust technology be less susceptible to being damaged in battle ? Or overloads? But in general yes, their advantage would mostly be in their own space.

uhm, just to give you an idea of what design is like.

all designs feature safety factors. a safety factor is the difference between the most powerful stress in the material, and the acceptable stress in the material. common safety factors are 1.5 for general design, 3 for axles. in aerospace, they work pretty darn close to a safety factor of 1. which is why you read articles about, for example the JSF, where the test vehicle has cracks etc in them.

what you're basically saying, is that the Houjin would require a much studier drive. and since no other hyperdrive failed to a supernova other than the Prometheus' drive, i think the concept of hard-to-navigate subspace is not a very sound one.

don't get me wrong: it's possible. just not on the levels of Goauld tech. i think they're already too advanced to be bothered by fluctuations like these.


the only thing in the galaxy i consider of sufficient strength to interfere with Subspace, is the Galactic Core. it's also what i consider to cause the subspace "your mileage may vary". in Stargate, intergalactic travel is much faster than interstellar. it's shown that Intergalactic drives are much slower in-galaxy (by many orders of magnitude) than outside the galaxy.

so my theory is: Subspace is denser around galaxies. it does interact with gravity, so it makes sense. plus, it would account for Dark Matter.

at the core of the galaxy, Subspace would be densest.

Heres a concept if your doing something with zombies in your story, the "undead" or infected or mutated or w/e are unaware that they are so, their brains are rewired. To their perceptions, other, "normal" people seem like the weird or bad guys. Just an idea.

the general accepted view of Zombies is that they only possess basic life functions, IE, eating, moving, etc.

[Gormagon]

Houjin advantages, their specialties.
Metallurgy/nano engineering.
F.T.L technologies.
Bio-engineering.

I think it wont be possible to come up with any reasonable disadvantages without first making some stories about them, so I am going to develop some short stories, a mini series if you will, about them. Once we get more background on them it will be easier.

[fugiman]

My question would be for you to define "nano engineering"

We've had problems with this topic before (not looking at Tom )

[Crazy Tom]

My question would be for you to define "nano engineering"

We've had problems with this topic before (not looking at Tom )

(puts feet up) Hey, my stuff was well defined. Not my fault you lot can't appreciate my brand of crazy.

[Gormagon]

My question would be for you to define "nano engineering"

Fullerene based and other like materials, and they do have nanites but they are not anything uber. We actually have talked about this before. I can provide more detail about the capabilities of said nanites if you like.

We've had problems with this topic before (not looking at Tom )

They shouldent be an issue. Not even close to HFR level.

[Princess Awinita]

(puts feet up) Hey, my stuff was well defined. Not my fault you lot can't appreciate my brand of crazy.

IU wonder if you could handle my brand of crazy........ possibly not....

[fugiman]

I can provide more detail about the capabilities of said nanites if you like.

Yes please

And Tom I'm crazy but I think you another type of crazy

[Princess Awinita]

Yes please

And Tom I'm crazy but I think you another type of crazy

I'm also crazy, however, to a very dangerous degree, because I'm smart enough to knoe they can lock me up, but I'm crazy enough to know I can be locked up, so I get paid to be nuts on some Productions

[Crazy Tom]

Yes please

And Tom I'm crazy but I think you another type of crazy

You think they accidentally exposed me to a Tome of Eldritch Engineering as a kid?

[Princess Awinita]

You think they accidentally exposed me to a Tome of Eldritch Engineering as a kid?

I'm thinking more of a Tome of Insane Engineering myself

Anyhow I too wonder what exactly details you have Gormagon. This intriges me.

[thekillman]

this discussion makes me crazy.

Not even close to HFR level.

HFR?

and they do have nanites but they are not anything uber.

heavily depends on the kind of nanite. you see, i've been reading up on Orion's arm (a way-too-long wiki walk), and i'm quite confident that basic nanite technology can be fought and destroyed with relative ease. Stargate however, generates new kinds of nanites. and with stuff like Trinium and Naquahdah, several defence options go out of the window.


furthermore, there are simple and complex nanites. the simplest are basically a kind of enzyme. the more advanced can propel themselves.

i really do not expect killer nanoswarms from a race basically beginning to understand it.


still, i think that the time is not ripe for Nanotech, and that it has a sufficient range of faces, capabilities and story-generators to be in it's own fleet.



i'm a big fan of Crysis 2, and how it handled Nanotech. it does not HAVE to be uber. we simply have to control ourselves and ask ourselves "is this realistic in this fleet".

[thekillman]

on a sidenote:

could we make the JPA a corporate-ruled faction? just a thought i had, would give some variety

[Gormagon]

Anyhow I too wonder what exactly details you have Gormagon. This intriges me.

Like the new Avatar btw.

Yes please

Houjin nanite technology.
Well, Houjin nano bots are originally linked to their bio-science, nanites were first envisioned as medical devices. During development other uses cropped up, I.E as a weapon or for constructing and/or repairing parts of delicate/hard to reach devices and systems.

The Houjin did in fact weaponize them with a fair amount of success. However, the nanite weapons proved easier to defeat then certain viral strains that contaminated the parts of the population at the time or were in cold storage ready to be weaponized. How? E.M.P or simply hacking into a nanites software. The nanites were also very expensive to produce compared to other weapons, such as a N bomb, well being less powerful. So the Houjin put nanite weapons on a shelf.

However, nanites themselves are still quite useful in other areas, the Houjin use them for healing and curing. Nanites are kept in Houjin facilities and aboard Houjin vessels to work as mini maintenance/repair men. In battle, they can not work fast enough to prevent all damage to a vessel but they can slow down critical system failure and speed up repairs outside of battle. They are susceptible to powerful E.M.P, so if nuclear devices are being used that may disable the nanites, which is why extra inactive nanites are kept in storage unless its an emergency. The nanites can also be destroyed by regular old weapons fire, unlike Ancient nanites which seem to ether channel DEW fire throughout the whole or shunt it into subspace or something.

HFR?

Human form Replicator.