Gateworld Virtual Fleet 4.0 - Discussion thread

[puddlejumperOZ]

Not F/S. S for "space-plane" is a vehicle type, not a mission designator. S as a mission designator means "anti-submarine". F/S would be an anti-submarine fighter (like F/A is an attack fighter); FS is a space-fighter (like FQ would be an unmanned fighter).

Then in reality Mcoy you don't need the 'S' tag as it is still a fighter and would be used in atmo as well. It is unecessary as we know it's space capable

This is a copy of a comment I made in another post regarding weapon choice

Armament on the 302's. Sam it would be nice to have the Asgard beam weapon but my experience has been the techy fans prefer a more Earth made technology is used. Modern lasers are now being tested for weapon usage but they suck power, but with a naquada generator that would be no issue. Also the GAU-8 M30 gatling gun at 4,000 rpm would be a terror weapon in the vacuum of space.

[bradly08]

This is a copy of a comment I made in another post regarding weapon choice

Which is why I chose it from the start. Its a piece of tech that we already understand and know that it works.

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Ah. Okay.

[bradly08]

So its almost zero hour (I think) how many entries do we have? also have everyone put in their final submission?

[puddlejumperOZ]

Which is why I chose it from the start. Its a piece of tech that we already understand and know that it works.

I missed that Brad, you used the GU8 didn't you If so good choice. BTW guys, ADT (Australian Defence Technology) is trialling a laser based weapon with a 25mm diameter beam that looks promising, still power is an issue. It could be used on a nuclear powered ship though.

Ah. Okay.

[puddlejumperOZ]

So its almost zero hour (I think) how many entries do we have? also have everyone put in their final submission?

I'll have to miss this one, no time atm Though I can help tidy up some of your entires if you all would like. There are a few issues. One of them I cna't remember which one, is about 27mtrs in length, that is no longer a fighter, but puts it into the light bomber class. The drop ship on my avatar is that length and can carry 24 troops and a humvee

[bradly08]

I missed that Brad, you used the GU8 didn't you If so good choice. BTW guys, ADT (Australian Defence Technology) is trialling a laser based weapon with a 25mm diameter beam that looks promising, still power is an issue. It could be used on a nuclear powered ship though.

Yes I used the GAU-8 Avenger, used in the A-10 Thunderbolt II. A Very powerfull wepaon that only needs a slight modifiction to take on Gliders ect.

[bradly08]

I'll have to miss this one, no time atm Though I can help tidy up some of your entires if you all would like. There are a few issues. One of them I cna't remember which one, is about 27mtrs in length, that is no longer a fighter, but puts it into the light bomber class. The drop ship on my avatar is that length and can carry 24 troops and a humvee

Mine is about 22.8 which is the same size as the SU-47. I think i have managed to get most of the problems out but feel free to point out any more and im sure i can fix them.

[puddlejumperOZ]

Yes I used the GAU-8 Avenger, used in the A-10 Thunderbolt II. A Very powerfull wepaon that only needs a slight modifiction to take on Gliders ect.

Good, you'll want Hastalloy cased depleted uranium rounds for that, very very effective

[bradly08]

Good, you'll want Hastalloy cased depleted uranium rounds for that, very very effective

Well They fire Tritium pointed rounds, but im sure depleaded uranium could be used in combonation.

[puddlejumperOZ]

Well They fire Tritium pointed rounds, but im sure depleaded uranium could be used in combonation.

I'm assuming Brad you meant Trinium, if so as it's an alien mineral, we can say that it's supply is iffy. Hastalloy has the highest heat resistance known in our current arsenal of metals, a 0.6mm casing on your ammo will go through 12mm armour plating like a hot knife through butter

[fugiman]

Alright guys here are the specs for my FS-100 Merlin

Spoiler:

Name: Merlin Space Fighter
Type: Space Fighter
Role: Fighter Support, Escort Missions, and Colony Defense
Classification: FS-100
Technology Base: Hybrid of Earth reversed engineered technology and Tech Con components

Builders: Lockheed Martin Global Ship Yards

They currently have production at these cities across the world

Colorado Springs, Colorado
San Diego California
Sydney, Australia
Manchester, UK
Hong Cong, China
Tokyo, Japan
Vancouver, Canada
St. Petersburg, Russia
Paris, France
Berlin, Germany





When Lockheed Martin showed off its finished fighter to the world many countries wanted their own small fleet of the fighters to protect both earth and as a cost effective way to defend their colonies without spending on costly planetary defenses and capitol ships but at the same time they also wanted to produce their own fighters in country to make sure that they could control the flow of fighters coming out of the factories, to make additions to their fighters in country if needed, and to help boost their local economies. Lockheed Martin seeing a chance to drastically increase their global influence as well as increasing their income flow agreed to make new factories around the globe if the host country gave a certain percentage of the cost of setting up the factory as well as having huge tax cuts on the factory and the items produced. Currently nine countries have agreed to host a factory in country with more being planned.

Operators: UNEC Space Forces and Colonial Defense Forces
Baseline cost: approx. $300 Million
Built: Started mass production in 2018

- Propulsion:
~2x Small Tech Con Ion Drives 14 million

Deciding not to go with an Earth based design Lockheed Martin decided that it was better and overall cheaper to outsource the part to a company that knew what it was doing. After some negotiations Lockheed Martin was able to replicate the part under the Tech Con name as well as paying out a certain percentage of each unit made on earth and since has been supplying the part to earth fighters.

-Maximum speed

~In Vacuum: 1750 Meters per Second

- Complement:
~ Standard crew approx. 2
~ Maximum complement approx. 4 (but you have to squeeze)

- Power Generation:
~1 x Mk. I Naquadah generator 5 million

- Armor:
~Trinium-Carbon Overlay 14 million

To reduce Cost Lockheed Martin decided to only put Trinium with a carbon mix over critical areas of the fighter and if supplies ran low on Trinium then they could remove the overlay to continue production of the fighter with just earth materials. The mix is a super strong material that is composed of a 60% Carbon and 40% Trinium that makes super hard and dense material to cover the vital areas of the fighter.

- Main Hull:
~ Titanium-Nickel-Aluminum alloy 6 million

To steam line the hull Lockheed Martin decided to use earth elements in fear that the galactic market would be shut down or colonies could not keep up with demands. Also Lockheed Martin knew that most of the off planet resources would be going to bigger ships and not fighters. So they looked at current materials on Earth that could be used in place, they decided to go with a Titanium, Nickel and Aluminum alloy as the hull of the ship as away to drastically lower costs of the fighter but still give the fighter a hull that is both strong and durable.


-Sensor systems
~LM-4-multi visual array 60 million

The LM-4 is the fourth generation of sensor system that Lockheed Martin made when coming up with the F-100. The first few systems didn’t integrate alien and earth technologies very well and many glitches happened much like the F-301 however when the fourth system was made the pilots all agreed it was a perfect blend and gave them a superior edge in dog fights to most if not all known alien threats.

-Targeting systems
~Tech Con Targeting Computer 20 million

During Lockheed Martin’s trip to Hebridan they noticed the targeting computers set up by Tech Con during the Loop of Kan Grat and when the race was done the two parties agreed that earth would get the parts and soon would be a licensed dealer of the parts in the name of tech con. So earth’s fighters were given an alien technology because of how accurate the system is as well as allowing Lockheed Martin to replicate a piece of alien technology on earth.

-Navigation system:
~LM-3 Star Map 1.2 million

Lockheed Martin made their own navigation system to be used onboard the Merlin that uses the neural interface to allow easy access of where the fighter was based off of star coordinates around them. Currently the system has the Milky Way and Pegasus Galaxy in its records to allow ease of access for the fighter to go from one galaxy to another.


- Armament:
~~ 1 x M61 Vulcan Gatling guns -- 4 million
~6x Hard Points
~1x Internal Weapon Bays capable of 8,000 kgs load

For the weapon the Lockheed Martin team looked at their previous fighter the F-22 and saw how weapons aboard it could be introduced to the F-100. So they decided to keep an internal weapon bay that can hold numerous different missiles, they added 2 Lockheed Martin 30mm rails guns for dog fights and then added on 6 hard points to allow a variety of weapons to be added the F-100 to allow it to have what it needs for certain missions.


- Shielding:
~LM-1 Shield Generator 100 million

The LM-1 shield generator is the first generation shield generator from Lockheed Martin that was developed around designs from a puddle jumper’s shields. The shield design was worked on by Doctor McKay however even with his help they weren’t able to full replicate the strength of the puddle jumper’s shields but were able to get 80% the same strength level. The shields currently can fend off most anti-fighter weapons for a short time before burning out and larger caliber weapons such as main plasma weapons and rail guns can easily cut through the shields.

- Other technology:

~Holographic Projector 15 million

After Lockheed Martin developed the Merlin using mostly earth materials for protection they knew the fighter would be slightly weaker so they designed a holographic projector that allowed each fighter to project another two fighters to make it visually look like there were three fighters going in at once. This increased the fear factor of this ship and added protection to the fighter.

~Neural Interface 30 million

After looking at possible ways to make the fighter more efficient for pilots they were introduced to several different forms of neural interface technology from alien cultures. They really looked at puddle jumper interface as their main platform but brought other ideas from other alien technology into the whole process and after three years of studying and designing they were able to make a system for their fighter that allowed pilots to both use controls and be hooked up with a neural interface system which ever felt better.

~Asgard Emergency Beaming Node 30 million

After looking over countless mission reports from the Stargate program and 302 pilots Lockheed Martin’s team of engineers were able to add an Asgard Beaming node that allowed the pilot to be beamed back to the nearest ship or nearest habitable area in case of the fighter being destroyed. This allowed pilots a chance to escape however the beaming node is not the same one used on capitol ships as it only beams out and doesn’t beam back in. As well the beaming node to make it cheaper can only beam out a few times before being burned out but seeing as it is a safety feature most pilots don’t care as they are just glad to have it.

~LM-3 Culling Beam 50 million*

Lockheed Martin saw that earth had not dependable drop ships so with help from Doctor McKay they were able to reverse engineer a Wraith culling beam that was place on the bottom of the fighter as to allow the Merlin to first clear the area with their fire power and then allow soldiers to be dropped in hostile areas that were clear instead of worrying about beaming down soldiers from space and being ambushed. Also the Culling beams can be used to pick up enemy troops or other defenses and just be taken out of the area. However as the research went on so did the cost so removing the culling beam as a special order item that many special forces teams use but not for the regular troops.

~Lock on Point $500,000

Many commanders aboard capitol ships wanted fighter support for missions however at the time many ship designs were going away from having fighters on board as they feared fighters would just turn into cannon fodder. So the guys at Lockheed Martin saw away to allow both to have their cake and eat it too. So they designed a lock on point on their fighters. The Lock on Point is much like a hard point but this extends from the interior of the fighter and allows it to lock onto different ships in space and then the pilots can get beamed into the ship or back into the fighter depending on when they are needed.

*Optional Feature

[puddlejumperOZ]

Alright guys here are the specs for my FS-100 Merlin

Spoiler:

Name: Merlin Space Fighter
Type: Space Fighter
Role: Fighter Support, Escort Missions, and Colony Defense
Classification: FS-100
Technology Base: Hybrid of Earth reversed engineered technology and Tech Con components

Builders: Lockheed Martin Global Ship Yards

They currently have production at these cities across the world

Colorado Springs, Colorado
San Diego California
Sydney, Australia
Manchester, UK
Hong Cong, China
Tokyo, Japan
Vancouver, Canada
St. Petersburg, Russia
Paris, France
Berlin, Germany





When Lockheed Martin showed off its finished fighter to the world many countries wanted their own small fleet of the fighters to protect both earth and as a cost effective way to defend their colonies without spending on costly planetary defenses and capitol ships but at the same time they also wanted to produce their own fighters in country to make sure that they could control the flow of fighters coming out of the factories, to make additions to their fighters in country if needed, and to help boost their local economies. Lockheed Martin seeing a chance to drastically increase their global influence as well as increasing their income flow agreed to make new factories around the globe if the host country gave a certain percentage of the cost of setting up the factory as well as having huge tax cuts on the factory and the items produced. Currently nine countries have agreed to host a factory in country with more being planned.

Operators: UNEC Space Forces and Colonial Defense Forces
Baseline cost: approx. $300 Million
Built: Started mass production in 2018

- Propulsion:
~2x Small Tech Con Ion Drives 14 million

Deciding not to go with an Earth based design Lockheed Martin decided that it was better and overall cheaper to outsource the part to a company that knew what it was doing. After some negotiations Lockheed Martin was able to replicate the part under the Tech Con name as well as paying out a certain percentage of each unit made on earth and since has been supplying the part to earth fighters.

-Maximum speed

~In Vacuum: 1750 Meters per Second

- Complement:
~ Standard crew approx. 2
~ Maximum complement approx. 4 (but you have to squeeze)

- Power Generation:
~1 x Mk. I Naquadah generator 5 million

- Armor:
~Trinium-Carbon Overlay 14 million

To reduce Cost Lockheed Martin decided to only put Trinium with a carbon mix over critical areas of the fighter and if supplies ran low on Trinium then they could remove the overlay to continue production of the fighter with just earth materials. The mix is a super strong material that is composed of a 60% Carbon and 40% Trinium that makes super hard and dense material to cover the vital areas of the fighter.

- Main Hull:
~ Titanium-Nickel-Aluminum alloy 6 million

To steam line the hull Lockheed Martin decided to use earth elements in fear that the galactic market would be shut down or colonies could not keep up with demands. Also Lockheed Martin knew that most of the off planet resources would be going to bigger ships and not fighters. So they looked at current materials on Earth that could be used in place, they decided to go with a Titanium, Nickel and Aluminum alloy as the hull of the ship as away to drastically lower costs of the fighter but still give the fighter a hull that is both strong and durable.


-Sensor systems
~LM-4-multi visual array 60 million

The LM-4 is the fourth generation of sensor system that Lockheed Martin made when coming up with the F-100. The first few systems didn’t integrate alien and earth technologies very well and many glitches happened much like the F-301 however when the fourth system was made the pilots all agreed it was a perfect blend and gave them a superior edge in dog fights to most if not all known alien threats.

-Targeting systems
~Tech Con Targeting Computer 20 million

During Lockheed Martin’s trip to Hebridan they noticed the targeting computers set up by Tech Con during the Loop of Kan Grat and when the race was done the two parties agreed that earth would get the parts and soon would be a licensed dealer of the parts in the name of tech con. So earth’s fighters were given an alien technology because of how accurate the system is as well as allowing Lockheed Martin to replicate a piece of alien technology on earth.

-Navigation system:
~LM-3 Star Map 1.2 million

Lockheed Martin made their own navigation system to be used onboard the Merlin that uses the neural interface to allow easy access of where the fighter was based off of star coordinates around them. Currently the system has the Milky Way and Pegasus Galaxy in its records to allow ease of access for the fighter to go from one galaxy to another.


- Armament:
~~ 1 x M61 Vulcan Gatling guns -- 4 million
~6x Hard Points
~1x Internal Weapon Bays

For the weapon the Lockheed Martin team looked at their previous fighter the F-22 and saw how weapons aboard it could be introduced to the F-100. So they decided to keep an internal weapon bay that can hold numerous different missiles, they added 2 Lockheed Martin 30mm rails guns for dog fights and then added on 6 hard points to allow a variety of weapons to be added the F-100 to allow it to have what it needs for certain missions.


- Shielding:
~LM-1 Shield Generator 100 million

The LM-1 shield generator is the first generation shield generator from Lockheed Martin that was developed around designs from a puddle jumper’s shields. The shield design was worked on by Doctor McKay however even with his help they weren’t able to full replicate the strength of the puddle jumper’s shields but were able to get 80% the same strength level. The shields currently can fend off most anti-fighter weapons for a short time before burning out and larger caliber weapons such as main plasma weapons and rail guns can easily cut through the shields.

- Other technology:

~Holographic Projector 15 million

After Lockheed Martin developed the Merlin using mostly earth materials for protection they knew the fighter would be slightly weaker so they designed a holographic projector that allowed each fighter to project another two fighters to make it visually look like there were three fighters going in at once. This increased the fear factor of this ship and added protection to the fighter.

~Neural Interface 30 million

After looking at possible ways to make the fighter more efficient for pilots they were introduced to several different forms of neural interface technology from alien cultures. They really looked at puddle jumper interface as their main platform but brought other ideas from other alien technology into the whole process and after three years of studying and designing they were able to make a system for their fighter that allowed pilots to both use controls and be hooked up with a neural interface system which ever felt better.

~Asgard Emergency Beaming Node 30 million

After looking over countless mission reports from the Stargate program and 302 pilots Lockheed Martin’s team of engineers were able to add an Asgard Beaming node that allowed the pilot to be beamed back to the nearest ship or nearest habitable area in case of the fighter being destroyed. This allowed pilots a chance to escape however the beaming node is not the same one used on capitol ships as it only beams out and doesn’t beam back in. As well the beaming node to make it cheaper can only beam out a few times before being burned out but seeing as it is a safety feature most pilots don’t care as they are just glad to have it.

~LM-3 Culling Beam 50 million*

Lockheed Martin saw that earth had not dependable drop ships so with help from Doctor McKay they were able to reverse engineer a Wraith culling beam that was place on the bottom of the fighter as to allow the Merlin to first clear the area with their fire power and then allow soldiers to be dropped in hostile areas that were clear instead of worrying about beaming down soldiers from space and being ambushed. Also the Culling beams can be used to pick up enemy troops or other defenses and just be taken out of the area. However as the research went on so did the cost so removing the culling beam as a special order item that many special forces teams use but not for the regular troops.

~Lock on Point $500,000

Many commanders aboard capitol ships wanted fighter support for missions however at the time many ship designs were going away from having fighters on board as they feared fighters would just turn into cannon fodder. So the guys at Lockheed Martin saw away to allow both to have their cake and eat it too. So they designed a lock on point on their fighters. The Lock on Point is much like a hard point but this extends from the interior of the fighter and allows it to lock onto different ships in space and then the pilots can get beamed into the ship or back into the fighter depending on when they are needed.

*Optional Feature

Good specs Fugi. Notes
Lockheed have a factory in Adelaide, Australia
For your 4 seater, you should designate say a 'B' model
Your internal bay, should list capacity, as you haven't given the size of the craft, I would suggest around 8,000kgs load for the internal bay.

[fugiman]

Well I meant that four people could fit into it if they had to but it only takes 2 people to operate it

[blackluster]

The fact these two models use magnets as a powersupply, the need of any kind of liqud feul is removed, thus also providing a smaller target. I have one or two revisions in mind ot the Startail model though, just need ot add them in and also the misson profile specs for both models. And no, nothing like a Dart, (to me a Dart was too small, far too small) this is meters we are measuring in, so a three meter ride craft is what? ten feet, eleven feet wide at best? wherein a 6+ meter wide craft is more or less two dozen or more feet wide, thus a larger target. Oh they fly alright, If only I could get my hands on a scanner I could provide a pair of pictures of both models

6m is nothing. At this point I'd ask for one example of a manned aerial vehicle that can actually fly with a wingspan under 5m and weighing a few tonnes but it seems like a waste of time. Sufficed to say, your fighters will not fly without some sort of other technology to generate lift, since nothing is going to come from the wings. There comes a point where the quest for smaller size renders a design useless in terms of what it can hope to achieve, besides which there are many other ways to mitigate the disadvantage of a large fuselage which you can look at the other designs for examples of said methods.

On the Asagai, I'd say that is the design I'll stick with. The only additional selling point I have is that each purchased Asagai comes with a pair of Airforce sunglasses and a music player integrated into the craft's OS with Dangerzone preloaded.