Gateworld Virtual Fleet 4.0 - Discussion thread

[Davidtourniquet]

With the effect of the inertial dampeners and the output from the naquadah generators the difference in acceleration between the two will be insignificant anyway.

[Crazy Tom]

*does a very Telford like blink*

Are you insane? Ok, deep breaths.... I apologize for overreacting, but David, I have to day I'm disappointed.

Look, for the same power and size of inertial dampener, you have nearly NINE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more thrust!

A smaller engine does not give you a better inertial compensator. You have two ships, both doing away with 99% of inertial forces, which accelerates faster? The one with the 1200 Newton thrust, or the one with the 10 000 000 000 Newton thrust?

And on that note gentlemen, I leave you for a few days while I move into my new house. Adios.

[fugiman]

Guys does it really matter anymore as the ship was voted in with the specs that it had

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Well, we can always tweak.

As to "externally mounted", I think Tom just picked a bad phrase. By his use, the Daedalus-class also has largely "external" engines. You know, those cylinder things on the bottom and out the back? It's not really much different from that.

Would you prefer if I just swapped the numbers? I.e., 4 NPPRs and 5 VASIMR-type drives rather than vice-versa? 'Cause that's fine.

Really, most of the arguments against an NPPR are from a safety standpoint, and a lot of those will probably be worked out in the future (where we are), especially with the technologies available in Stargate. (E.g., 'killman and Tom have already made the excellent point that the Naquadah significantly decreases the necessary reaction mass.) Ironically, public worries are also a major problem for real-life nuclear propulsion; that's why NASA now prefers the term "pulsed plasma" propulsion.

When it comes down to it, VASIMR-tpe drives like the ones on Daedalus are fast compared to the Wraith, but this is the Milky Way. Speeds are typically faster, and even a massive Ori ship could keep pace with and catch up to the 304's. The NPPR is a booster that is realistic, viable, and tactically useful.


EDIT: And just in case somebody thinks I'm wrong about the safety of nuclear propulsion, I know and have spoken with physicists (literal rocket scientists) who think it is the best option for space flight in the near foreseeable future.

[jackclone1]

Mcoy you're right on the NucProp. We had a lecture on it in my Squadron before I posted overseas. It is looking like a very feasible approach to intergalatic treavel for the future.

My vote is for the Dreadnought ship.

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Thanks.

Current count:

Valiant: 1
Gaia: 4
Dreadnought: 4
Athens: 7
Luna: 1

Voters:
Davidt (2/2), Thekillman (2/2), Awinita (1/1), Crazy Tom (1/1), Bradly08 (1/1), Mcoy (2/2), Blackluster (1/1), fugiman (1/1), Immhotep (2/2), Experiment 442 (1/1), puddlejumperOZ (2/2), Jackclone1 (1/1)

[puddlejumperOZ]

^^^Thanks Jack, btw I've found two spellings for Dreadnaught and nought which do you guys think is the better.

Fugi the class of ships/craft will be the F100 fighter series of which there'll several versions. Blacky edited my originals here http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/7...1#post11642329 but as yet the others haven't put forward their versions.

And there is the escort cruiser class which hasn't been edited yet, but I'll post the original here again for you all to play around with.

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Technically, Dreadnought is the name of a ship. Dread-naught is an actual combination of the words "dread" and "naught", but it isn't a name or a word on its own.

[puddlejumperOZ]

Technically, Dreadnought is the name of a ship. Dread-naught is an actual combination of the words "dread" and "naught", but it isn't a name or a word on its own.

You're right as usual Mcoy thak you, I don't know why I ever wrote it with the "a" it just looked better I suppose, but I'll have to stick with it now as I've written it a few zillion times in several stories.

Ok catch up, this was supposed to be the 2nd class of ship we'd be working on (your own versions of course) feel free to mess with this one if you like

http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/7...1#post11616280

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Okay, then.

As everyone seems to be done, voting for the Battleship class is closed, and the winner is the BBHG-310 Athens-class! I'll re-post a slightly edited post-vote version, taking into account comments and concerns.


Submissions for the F-100 series fighter are now open. Voting will take place on Thursday or Friday.

[Princess Awinita]

F100 series fighter? *begins thinking.....*

Also Tep is right, the battleship we have voted on is small, BUT, in some books I have read that had ships created, a dreadnought cvlass ship of any kind (using a star wars sourcebook) was 800 meters in length, but also very costly and required a very large crew of near two thousand people. had very little weapons, and barely any armor. Most of them were called deathtraps because a lot of them were prison ships, so sizewise it is good.

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

I left the size of the Athens vague because I wanted leeway for the model, but I imagine her being slightly less than twice the size of the Daedalus.

[Princess Awinita]

To be honest I like all the ships presented. They would all fill their respective needs regardless of name or class type.

[jackclone1]

I left the size of the Athens vague because I wanted leeway for the model, but I imagine her being slightly less than twice the size of the Daedalus.

650 mtrs or so was the agreed margin for the BB310 class. And I think you and PJ should combine your ships into one, as both have equal merit in my opinion. And in saying that, instead of everyone trying to outdo one another, why not all work together on one design and perfect that, so that others don't feel left out. The way this last has gone down takes away a lot of the work you all did for nothing. I would have voted for everyone one of your ships if I could have.

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Here's an edited version of the Athens, as promised, with additions taken from the comments on the past few pages.

Spoiler:

Name: Athens-class
Type: Guided missile battleship
Role: Hyperspace-capable Arsenal Ship, Deep Space Command Ship
Classification: BBHG
Number: 310
Builders: UNEC Shipyards on Earth and two of the colonies
Operators: UNEC Space Forces (USF)
Baseline cost: approx. $235 billion
Built: 2018 – present
Planned: 6
Completed: 2
Active: 2
In commission: 2023 – present

- Propulsion:

~ 4 x Naquadah-enhanced Nuclear Pulse Propulsion Rockets -- $260 million

- Used only in battle conditions to reach maximum delta-v capacity.

~ 5 x VASIMR-type Magnetoplasmadynamic Thrusters -- $250 million

- Used for cruising or patrol.

~ 1 x Inertialess Maneuvering Grid -- $700 million

- Used for VTOL and maneuvering.

~ 1 x Asgard-derived Hyperdrive Unit -- $5 billion

- Includes the Hyperspace Field Emitter (HFE) and Hyperspace Window Generator (HWG).

- Achieves speeds of 95 LY/min in the intergalactic void and has a max. interstellar speed of 5.5 LY/min.

- Complement:

~ Standard crew approx. 430
~ Maximum complement approx. 2,600

- Power Generation:

~ 1 x Mk. III Naquadah generator -- $5 billion
~ 1 x Mk. II Naquadah generator -- $2.5 billion
~ 2 x Mk. I Naquadah generators for emergency power -- $1 billion

- Armor:

~ Titanium-carbon alloy with additional naquadah plating at critical areas -- approx. $80 billion

- Skeleton:

~ Titanium-trinium alloy -- approx. $64 billion

- Electronic Warfare:

~ SLQ-32(V)8 -- $13.25 billion

- Incorporates surveillance, targeting, active sensor jamming, and passive sensor denial. Some of these systems are of reverse-engineered Asgard, Goa'uld, and Hebridian design.

- Armament:

~ 2 x 18-cell Mk. I electromagnetic launch systems -- $45 million

- 72 x Mk. III nuclear missiles -- $1 billion
- 36 x Mk. IV nuclear missiles -- $532 million
- 36 x Mk. VI nuclear missiles -- $810 million
- 8 x Mk. VIII nuclear missiles -- $1.36 billion

~ 24 x Mk. I pulse cannon -- $840 million
~ 12 x Mk. II rail-guns -- $558 million
~ 16 x Space-modified Phalanx CIWS -- $28 million

- Shielding:

~ Mk. III Asgard-based Shield -- $40 billion

- The max. strength of this shield is slightly stronger of the max. shield strength of a Daedalus-class starship.

- Other technology:

~ 3 x Ring Transport Platforms -- $3 billion
~ 2 x Asgard Beam Transport Nodes -- $12 billion
~ Life support system, Mk. II -- $15 million

- Allows for longer duration trips than the Mk. I system, and includes a hydroponics room for food production.

~ Long-range and short-range communications arrays -- $1.2 billion

- Includes subspace, radio, and laser communication units.

~ Two external ports which can dock anything from Puddle Jumpers up to a pair of slightly modified Horizon Weapons Platforms.
~ An emergency retrieval bay that can fit anything up to a Tel'tak-sized craft.
~ 1 x Central Optic Network (CON) -- $1.2 billion

- Replaces a wireless network for all standard computing systems.
- Has a crystal-based computer mainframe.
- Compares sensor data to data from the ship's databanks. Known critical systems and weak spots are then targeted.
- A secure subspace channel links to any ship which has a CON installed.

~ Multiple small routers placed to provide a wireless network for handheld computers.

- Range is sufficiently limited to prevent remote hacking.

~ Historical Notes ~

In 2017 the United Nations of Earth decided that the growing threat from the Lucian Alliance merited the creation of a dedicated warship to back the multi-role Daedalus-class. The United States and China preferred to operate the more versatile 304’s, but many of the European nations put their money into a newer, larger vessel.

After months of prototyping the plans for a battleship were finalized, and the hull of the BBHG-310-01 was laid in 2018. In contrast to the 304’s, the 310 design focused on long-range missile salvos rather than unguided munitions or fighter coverage. However, conceding to the need for docking facilities, a pair of shielded, eternal ports designed for the 310. These ports were also designed to dock modified versions of the Horizon Weapons Platform, increasing the 310’s’ already impressive armament (though the Horizon is not considered a standard weapon). A small, VTOL-only retrieval bay was also built into the ship to recover small craft in need of assistance, up to the size of a Tel'tak.

It was decided that the ships of the 310 designation would have names taken from ancient Greek city-states, and the 310-01 was christened the UES Athens.

The Athens was constructed at a shipyard in Great Britain, and she launched in 2023. After testing her hyperdrive with a short jump to Chulak, the Athens escorted a pair of Free Jaffa Republic Ha’tak to a four-way summit between the FJR, UNE, the Hebridians, and the Tok’ra.

Three months after her maiden voyage, the Athens saw her first action in a small skirmish with Serrakin smugglers near one of the Hebridian colonies. She was more than a match for the mid-sized craft operated by the group, and was easily able to disable the ships. The Hebridians impounded the rouge craft and apologized for the incident.

A second 310, the Olympia, was begun two years after the Athens at a shipyard in Siberia. She was completed in 2025, and was assigned to permanent station-keeping over Earth. Four more 310’s are planned, and each will have command authority over the space forces of four colonies. This effectively divides the area controlled by the Tau’ri into five operational sectors (Earth and four regions containing four colonies), and leaves one 310 available for emergencies.