Gateworld Virtual Fleet 4.0 - Discussion thread

[thekillman]

a biobomb.


well i'm off to bed.


as to tactics and designs: perhaps some BSG inspiration (or inspiration from sci fi following Submarine analogy, not Air Force or Navy analogy) would help.

[puddlejumperOZ]

Ok here is the specs so far, there are some gaps and some editing will need to be done.

Spoiler:

Tau’ri Ships


Dreadnaught class Battleship
Production Information
Manufacturer:

General Dynamics Corporation
EADS
UTC
Northrop Grumman Corporation
L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
BAE Systems
Boeing Australia
Class: Dreadnaught
Cost: $2,400,500,000
Registry: BB-310
Technical Specifications
Ship Length: 635 meters
Ship Width: 195 meters
Ship Height/depth: 90 meters
Engine unit(s):
Rockets (past)
Sublight Engines
Maneuvering Thrusters
Asgard Engines
Asgard Hyperdrive
Maximum speed: ??
Fuel: Naquadriah
Hyperdrive system: Intergalactic/Extragalactic
Power plant:
Naquadah Generators
ZPM ?
Shielding:
Asgard Shields
Cloaking Device
Hull: Naquadah/Trinium alloy
Sensor systems: Asgard Sensor Array
Targeting systems: Earth Targeting Systems
Navigation system: Computer Navigational Systems
Countermeasures:
Self-destruct
Venting System
Naquadriah Powerplant Cell Ejection Pod
Blast-door(s) Lockdown System
Armament:
4 Asgard Plasma Beam Cannons
10 Asgard Pulse Cannons (unsure if we are using these)
44 155mm Railguns
26 VLS Missile Tubes
Mark III and IX Nuclear Missiles
Horizon Weapons Platform
Complement:
64 F-307s various marks
Puddle Jumpers
6 AC401’s Cargo Ships
Crew: 4 to 310-380 crew members
Passengers: 760 personnel (maximum)
Cargo capacity: 5,000 tons
180 days worth of Consumables to 220 days if rationed.
Other systems:
IBM Contracted Mainframe
Asgard Transporters
4 Ring Transporters
Long-range Transmitters
Usage
Role(s):
Battleship
Attack Carrier
Year Introduced: 2013-14
Affiliation: Tau’ri
----------------------------

F-307-F100 Mark I Models
Production Information
Manufacturer:
General Dynamics Corporation
EADS
Northrop Grumman Corporation
L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
BAE Systems/ Boeing
Migoryavich
Class: Razor
Cost: $88,500,000
Registry:
F-307B Model
F-307C Model
Technical Specifications
Ship Length: 16 metres
Ship Width: 26 metres
Ship Height/depth: 6 metres
Engine unit(s):
2x jet propulsion engines
2x modified aerospike boosters/engines
1x rocket booster/motor
Maximum speed: ???
Fuel: ???
Power plant: Naquadah Generators
Shielding:
Asgard Shields
Cloaking Device (Goa'uld tech)
Hull: Naquadah/Trinium alloy
Sensor systems: Sensor Array
Targeting systems: Earth Targeting Systems
Navigation system: Computer Navigational Systems
Countermeasures:
Self-destruct
Venting System
Armament:
6 Wing-mounted missile launchers (AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles-Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile)
30mm Nose-mounted railguns (Kinetic energy weapon [ KEW ])
Other Missiles
Various Bombloads as applicable to mission on hardpoints
Crew: 1/B - 2/C Model
Cargo capacity: 300KG in hull compartment
Usage
Role(s):
Multi-role attack fighter
Interceptor
Year Introduced: 2012-13
Affiliation: Tau’ri
-----------------------

F-307-F100 Mark II Models
Production Information
Manufacturer:
General Dynamics Corporation
EADS
Northrop Grumman Corporation
L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
BAE Systems
Boeing
Migoryavich
Class: Typhoon
Cost: $97,700,000
Registry:
F-307D Model
F-307E Model
F-307F Model
Technical Specifications
Ship Length: 16 metres D model/ 18 metres E/F
Ship Width: 28 metres
Ship Height/depth: 6.7 metres

Engine unit(s):
Jet propulsion engines
Modified aerospike boosters/engines
Rocket boosters/motors
Maneuvering Thrusters
Maximum speed: ???
Fuel: ???
Hyperdrive system: Naquadriah powered-hyperspace window generator
Power plant: Naquadah Generators
Shielding:
Asgard Shields
Cloaking Device
Hull: Naquadah/Trinium alloy
Sensor systems: Sensor Array
Targeting systems: Earth Targeting Systems
Navigation system: Computer Navigational Systems
Countermeasures:
Self-destruct
Venting System
Armament:
6 Wing-mounted missile launchers (AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles-Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile)
Nose-mounted railguns (Kinetic energy weapon [ KEW ])
Twin turret mounted 30mm Gauss cannons
Other Missiles
Various Bombs in ventral bomb bay
Complement:
Signals Jamming Device
Long-range Electronic Surveillance Device
Crew: 2 D model - 4 crew members F models
Passengers: Up to 6 personnel for the E Model
Cargo capacity: 2,000kg in bomb bay, 800kg internal storage
Usage
Role(s):
Multi-role attack fighter
Signals Ship
Reconnaissance Vessel
Surveillance Vessel
Short-range Bomber
Year Introduced: 2012-15
Affiliation: Tau’ri
-------------------

Tornado class AC401 Model Variants
Production Information
Manufacturer:
General Dynamics Corporation
EADS
UTC
Northrop Grumman Corporation Australia
L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
Boeing/ BAE Systems
Class: Tornado
Cost: $115,560,000
Registry:
AC401 A Model
AC401 B Model
Technical Specifications
Ship Length: 26.5 metres
Ship Width: 20.4 metres
Ship Height/depth: 9.7 metres
Engine unit(s):
Rockets (past)
Sublight Engines
Vertical Maneuvering Thrusters
Asgard Engines
Asgard Hyperdrive
Maximum speed: ???
Fuel: Naquadah/ Naquadriah
Hyperdrive system: Intergalactic
Power plant:
Naquadah Generators
Shielding:
Asgard Shields
Cloaking Device
Hull: Naquadah/Trinium alloy
Sensor systems: 360 degree Sensor Array
Targeting systems: Earth Targeting Systems
Navigation system: Computer Navigational Systems
Countermeasures:
Self-destruct
Venting System
Armament:
6 Wing-mounted missile launchers (AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles-Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile)
Twin turret mounted 30mm Gauss cannons
Other Missiles
Various Bombloads up to 8,000kgs
Complement:
Supplies (if transporting)
Vehicle(s) (if transporting)
Crew: 4 to 6 crew members
Passengers: 30 personnel
Other systems:
IBM Contracted Mainframe
Usage
Role(s):
Dropship/Troopship
Cargo Transport
Patrol-Scout Ship
Medium Attack Ship
Light Bomber
Year Introduced: 2012-16
Affiliation: Tau’ri

[Amann]

Well I have no idea what an Alesian ship is, but if we are not allowed to use Ancient tech, then we can't really use it......although one of the things could be that the Alesian ship is adrift in space with an unconscious Amann on board alone. Or perhaps he does have a crew. It is open for variation if the ship is allowed......one of Amann's challenges might be to outfit a crew on board his ship.

[puddlejumperOZ]

What about Amman without a ship?? He could be stranded on an Aschen world and steals a ship

[Amann]

What about Amman without a ship?? He could be stranded on an Aschen world and steals a ship

that is interesting in all honesty. The Alesians and Aschen are not fond of each other. The Aschen did try to use a bio weapon on the Alesians in Amann's reality, which ended with Amann sending a fleet to obliterate an Aschen homeworld in retaliation and the threat they would target Aschen itself and every other known Aschen world if they used bio weapons again on Alesian worlds.

[puddlejumperOZ]

that is interesting in all honesty. The Alesians and Aschen are not fond of each other. The Aschen did try to use a bio weapon on the Alesians in Amann's reality, which ended with Amann sending a fleet to obliterate an Aschen homeworld in retaliation and the threat they would target Aschen itself and every other known Aschen world if they used bio weapons again on Alesian worlds.

But they're still around using wmd's....Amman should have finished them.

[locutes]

Ok here is the specs so far, there are some gaps and some editing will need to be done.

Spoiler:

Tau’ri Ships


Dreadnaught class Battleship
Production Information
Manufacturer:

General Dynamics Corporation
EADS
UTC
Northrop Grumman Corporation
L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
BAE Systems
Boeing Australia
Class: Dreadnaught
Cost: $2,400,500,000
Registry: BB-310
Technical Specifications
Ship Length: 635 meters
Ship Width: 195 meters
Ship Height/depth: 90 meters
Engine unit(s):
Rockets (past)
Sublight Engines
Maneuvering Thrusters
Asgard Engines
Asgard Hyperdrive
Maximum speed: ??
Fuel: Naquadriah
Hyperdrive system: Intergalactic/Extragalactic
Power plant:
Naquadah Generators
ZPM ?
Shielding:
Asgard Shields
Cloaking Device
Hull: Naquadah/Trinium alloy
Sensor systems: Asgard Sensor Array
Targeting systems: Earth Targeting Systems
Navigation system: Computer Navigational Systems
Countermeasures:
Self-destruct
Venting System
Naquadriah Powerplant Cell Ejection Pod
Blast-door(s) Lockdown System
Armament:
4 Asgard Plasma Beam Cannons
10 Asgard Pulse Cannons (unsure if we are using these)
44 155mm Railguns
26 VLS Missile Tubes
Mark III and IX Nuclear Missiles
Horizon Weapons Platform
Complement:
64 F-307s various marks
Puddle Jumpers
6 AC401’s Cargo Ships
Crew: 4 to 310-380 crew members
Passengers: 760 personnel (maximum)
Cargo capacity: 5,000 tons
180 days worth of Consumables to 220 days if rationed.
Other systems:
IBM Contracted Mainframe
Asgard Transporters
4 Ring Transporters
Long-range Transmitters
Usage
Role(s):
Battleship
Attack Carrier
Year Introduced: 2013-14
Affiliation: Tau’ri
----------------------------

F-307-F100 Mark I Models
Production Information
Manufacturer:
General Dynamics Corporation
EADS
Northrop Grumman Corporation
L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
BAE Systems/ Boeing
Migoryavich
Class: Razor
Cost: $88,500,000
Registry:
F-307B Model
F-307C Model
Technical Specifications
Ship Length: 16 metres
Ship Width: 26 metres
Ship Height/depth: 6 metres
Engine unit(s):
2x jet propulsion engines
2x modified aerospike boosters/engines
1x rocket booster/motor
Maximum speed: ???
Fuel: ???
Power plant: Naquadah Generators
Shielding:
Asgard Shields
Cloaking Device (Goa'uld tech)
Hull: Naquadah/Trinium alloy
Sensor systems: Sensor Array
Targeting systems: Earth Targeting Systems
Navigation system: Computer Navigational Systems
Countermeasures:
Self-destruct
Venting System
Armament:
6 Wing-mounted missile launchers (AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles-Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile)
30mm Nose-mounted railguns (Kinetic energy weapon [ KEW ])
Other Missiles
Various Bombloads as applicable to mission on hardpoints
Crew: 1/B - 2/C Model
Cargo capacity: 300KG in hull compartment
Usage
Role(s):
Multi-role attack fighter
Interceptor
Year Introduced: 2012-13
Affiliation: Tau’ri
-----------------------

F-307-F100 Mark II Models
Production Information
Manufacturer:
General Dynamics Corporation
EADS
Northrop Grumman Corporation
L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
BAE Systems
Boeing
Migoryavich
Class: Typhoon
Cost: $97,700,000
Registry:
F-307D Model
F-307E Model
F-307F Model
Technical Specifications
Ship Length: 16 metres D model/ 18 metres E/F
Ship Width: 28 metres
Ship Height/depth: 6.7 metres

Engine unit(s):
Jet propulsion engines
Modified aerospike boosters/engines
Rocket boosters/motors
Maneuvering Thrusters
Maximum speed: ???
Fuel: ???
Hyperdrive system: Naquadriah powered-hyperspace window generator
Power plant: Naquadah Generators
Shielding:
Asgard Shields
Cloaking Device
Hull: Naquadah/Trinium alloy
Sensor systems: Sensor Array
Targeting systems: Earth Targeting Systems
Navigation system: Computer Navigational Systems
Countermeasures:
Self-destruct
Venting System
Armament:
6 Wing-mounted missile launchers (AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles-Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile)
Nose-mounted railguns (Kinetic energy weapon [ KEW ])
Twin turret mounted 30mm Gauss cannons
Other Missiles
Various Bombs in ventral bomb bay
Complement:
Signals Jamming Device
Long-range Electronic Surveillance Device
Crew: 2 D model - 4 crew members F models
Passengers: Up to 6 personnel for the E Model
Cargo capacity: 2,000kg in bomb bay, 800kg internal storage
Usage
Role(s):
Multi-role attack fighter
Signals Ship
Reconnaissance Vessel
Surveillance Vessel
Short-range Bomber
Year Introduced: 2012-15
Affiliation: Tau’ri
-------------------

Tornado class AC401 Model Variants
Production Information
Manufacturer:
General Dynamics Corporation
EADS
UTC
Northrop Grumman Corporation Australia
L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
Boeing/ BAE Systems
Class: Tornado
Cost: $115,560,000
Registry:
AC401 A Model
AC401 B Model
Technical Specifications
Ship Length: 26.5 metres
Ship Width: 20.4 metres
Ship Height/depth: 9.7 metres
Engine unit(s):
Rockets (past)
Sublight Engines
Vertical Maneuvering Thrusters
Asgard Engines
Asgard Hyperdrive
Maximum speed: ???
Fuel: Naquadah/ Naquadriah
Hyperdrive system: Intergalactic
Power plant:
Naquadah Generators
Shielding:
Asgard Shields
Cloaking Device
Hull: Naquadah/Trinium alloy
Sensor systems: 360 degree Sensor Array
Targeting systems: Earth Targeting Systems
Navigation system: Computer Navigational Systems
Countermeasures:
Self-destruct
Venting System
Armament:
6 Wing-mounted missile launchers (AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles-Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile)
Twin turret mounted 30mm Gauss cannons
Other Missiles
Various Bombloads up to 8,000kgs
Complement:
Supplies (if transporting)
Vehicle(s) (if transporting)
Crew: 4 to 6 crew members
Passengers: 30 personnel
Other systems:
IBM Contracted Mainframe
Usage
Role(s):
Dropship/Troopship
Cargo Transport
Patrol-Scout Ship
Medium Attack Ship
Light Bomber
Year Introduced: 2012-16
Affiliation: Tau’ri

were Asgard weapons not banned? And thus NO ship in the Tau'ri fleet would have them?

[Amann]

But they're still around using wmd's....Amman should have finished them.

well post golden dawn, the aschen tried bio weapons again, but the Alesians basically bombed their worlds to the stone age.

[locutes]

well since the Aschen have not been bombed back into the stone age, they might once again try those weapons but then the Tau'ri would attack with their gate busters on their planets

[Amann]

hmmmm, what about if Amann was in a flagship jumper and got transported to an alternate dimension......like how he did in my b5 crossover.....

[locutes]

too similar, be creative XD I know you can

[bradly08]

OK give me about 30 minutes and I'll be back.

The Harvester, now there was a cool ship....I wonder if it had anything tactical to offer?

The harvester wasn't a ship designed for combat, It was a glorified Tractor . Granted it could carry a bio-bomb but you could stick a missile on a tractor and it would be a similar situation.

[Crazy Tom]

the schematics are to be shown later on, the design will come after the specs and the role have been voted up on.

Herhaps voting should go three way, first we define the role we need filled. Then we create the specs, and THEN we vote for design

I agree, the problem is that spcecs and schmatics are so interwoven that they have to be done at the same time.

yes but our inertial dampeners aren't perfect, nor are they perfect god machines. a 302 can get itself to orbit, yes, but it requires the big booster on the back to do it. which is akin to taking a fighterjet, getting it as high as possible and then initiating a thrust rocket from a spaceshuttle that's mounted on the back. except it's far more high tech than that.

The 302 canceled out 90% of inertial forces. A DG cancels out even more if passing refences and their lack of big reaction thrusters are to be believed. So they are very powerfull, their effect is very important.

gunship with dropship capability is better.

It depends, mostly I think on whether Earth can manufacture atmospheric shields.

as to ship voting and making this a true fleet:

what we need additionally:

-Lucian Alliance Fightercraft (they surely aren't suicidal enough to use death gliders)
-Lucian Alliance Cruiser (preferably using systems scavenged from Al'kesh) (some 300-400 meters in lenght)
-Lucian Alliance Base Ship (700-800 meter large capital ship, designed for long-term survival, self-sufficient and capable of wreaking havoc.)

Whoa there, I sincerel'y doubt that a crime sindicate can manufacture specilised warships that are unique to them. They may be one of the few inter-stelar Human orginizations out tehre, but they're far from being a nation. The best they would have is converted civilian designs and surpluss Hebridian and other people's warships.

[thekillman]

Whoa there, I sincerel'y doubt that a crime sindicate can manufacture specilised warships that are unique to them. They may be one of the few inter-stelar Human orginizations out tehre, but they're far from being a nation. The best they would have is converted civilian designs and surpluss Hebridian and other people's warships.

actually Daniel Jackson specifically states that they have the industry of the goauld. also they simply disassemble ha'tak and retrofit the components to a new, better designed and less space-wasting ship.

well post golden dawn, the aschen tried bio weapons again, but the Alesians basically bombed their worlds to the stone age.

that's not gonna work.

also, steal a ship? how? by landing an invasion force first? the Aschen are gonna be truely advanced humans, with the only problem that they have crap hyperdrives, nor do they have any idea where half the important planets of the galaxy are. in fact, they probably only know of a few by now due to extensive scouting.



the aschen in this universe will be somewhat different, with extensive geo-engineering, as well as planet specialisation.

the aschen will have:

-3 Homeworlds (7.5 billion aschen per planet, little industry, mostly services and homes)
-several mining worlds and lots of mining asteroids
-several farming worlds to produce all sorts of food.


i see the aschen as future humans in more than one way. first of all their lifestyle will be like a rich man's. spacious homes, no big clogged-up cities but rather more like suburbans, large parks in between, population mostly centered around the equator (equator mostly has a mild-warm climate, no real tropics), vacations all over the planet are common. transporter platforms allow easy access to the entire planet. inter-planetary transporters exist, which forward the matterstream to a nearby relay station, which relays it to the next relay station etc etc etc untill it reaches the next planet.


the aschen have large solar panels placed in space to produce power for the population. at the Lagrangian points, large sensor arrays have been placed to monitor subspace. additionally -depending on the planet- hypercatapults are present. the Homeworlds have several, the Farm Worlds often only one.


as to the specs for the human ships:

can you please clean it up? it's very annoying to read right now.



harvester:

[puddlejumperOZ]

^^^ Killman in which way do you need it cleaned up, different browsers see the page...differently. Tell me what you need and I'll fix it.