Gateworld Virtual Fleet 4.0 - Discussion thread

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Well, we need to finish ironing out the setting first. Let's finish deciding what to do with the Lucian Alliance, Aschen, and the Alesians.

After that, we'll start a story thread (The New GateWorld Virtual Fleet, perhaps). The first couple posts on this thread will be the back-story and other starting information, and then we can post our stories on that thread. This thread will be for technical discussions and ship-voting.

Traditionally, ship models and specifications are submitted and voted on by class. However, 'killman suggested we vote for specs and models separately. I think that's a good plan. So people submit specs, we vote on them, and then people submit models to match the winning ship specs. As for the method of voting, I suggest one vote for everyone who didn't submit a ship, and two votes for those who did. One of these votes may be for your own ship, but the other vote must be for someone else's.



We could also make a clone of our story thread in the fan-fiction section if we wanted (by posting a story in one thread and then in the other). That might draw in more new faces.



And I don't know about a wiki, but I'm willing to compile a new HTML database, if anyone wants.

[locutes]

a new database would be great

[thekillman]

yes i'm fine with that.


what are we gonna name the colonies? i'm thinking of following a BSG-esque theme of planets named after constellations.


these are IMO candidates (removed BSG ones)

Spoiler:

Antlia
Apus
Aquila
Boötes
Caelum
Carina
Cassiopeia
Centaurus
Cepheus
Cerberus
Cetus
Columba
Corvus
Cygnus
Delphinus
Dorado
Draco
Eridanus
Fornax
Hercules
Hydra
Hydrus
Indus
Lacerta
Lupus
Lyra
Mensa
Monoceros
Musca
Norma
Octans
Ophiuchus
Pavo
Perseus
Pictor
Pisces
Pyxis
Reticulum
Sagitta
Sculptor
Scutum
Serpens
Sextans
Tucana
Ursa (Major/minor)
Vela
Volans
Vulpecula

these are some of my suggestions (and the constellation they're derived from)

Spoiler:

Antlia -> Antalon
Cepheus-> Cephae
Cetus-> Cetae
Draco -> Draces
Hydrus-> Hydrae
Lyra -> Lyria
Musca ->Muscae
Pavo -> Pavon
Pictor -> Pictae
Pisces ->Pisces
Sagitta -> Sagittae
Sculptor ->Sculptae
Serpens ->Serpae
Tucana -> Tucanes
Ursa ->Ursia
Vela -> Velon
Volans-> Volaron

i like the following names: (*: indicates F-302 production ability, **: indicates BC-304 production capability)

Prime Colony:
Antalon (5 million population)**

Main colonies:
Volaron ( 2.5 million)**
Pavon(2 million)**
Hydrae (1.3 million)*
Sculptae(1 million)*
Draces (800 000)*

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Constellation-based names sound good. But I'm not sure about the predominance of "-ae" as the ending. Just as a linguist, it doesn't make sense to me (being the feminine plural). Maybe "-um"? Or "-a"? Even "-i" is more typical.

E.g.:

Hydrum / Hydra / Hydri
&
Sculptum / Sculpta / Sculpti

[locutes]

I think it should be female names. As far as I know planets are refered to a female, just as ships, ika Mother earth

[bradly08]

The planet names sound great, but regarding the cities on them, will they be along the lines of "New London" ect.

[Davidtourniquet]

i'm no expert on costs and i can't beat or compete at that. i'm more of a tech guy.


i think costs are hard and complex. i think ships should cost a few dozen billion each. hundreds isn't achievable, NATO expended 600 billion on defence last year. that's on the whole picture. earth could build a humongous fleet, if we spent 100% of all money on defence. we don't.

i think a 304 rated at 45 billion is sufficient. hyperdrive research cost 2 billion for Prometheus, so the ships are expensive but not over 100 billion. even a BB of 600m would cost approx 80 billion or so, perhaps close to 100 billion.


can someone get us a Wiki? would be useful. although i'd think we should add stuff as we go along, as opposed to making info-dumps

Well essentially the hull is the most expensive thing so the more ships we build the hull cost will come down so I think we can work with that suggestion of $40-45 billion for a BC304. If you're happy to use my standardisation killman, then I will make those modifications you suggest.

[thekillman]

i actually think shields and hyperdrive will be main costs, since they need the most high-grade materials. i'm not sure about the actual use of high-tech armor, it's hard stopping a railgun round, let alone a multi-KT plasma blob. the only real way to stop weaponsfire is by sacrificing parts of the ship. in that case all critical systems are best placed in the centre of the craft, where maximum decks can be sacrificed. Wraith bolts take out quite an area of ship, and 3 bolts almost entirely disabled the Deadalus. at a ha'tak's ROF, ships simply stand no chance unshielded.

$40-45 billion for a BC304

i'll agree with that

I think it should be female names. As far as I know planets are refered to a female, just as ships, ika Mother earth

pluto, mars, mercury, jupiter, saturn, they all suggest otherwise.

[Davidtourniquet]

Also, if we have a budget, we can say to those who are doing the specs: Here's how much you can spend on a cruiser/BC/BB etc work to that price. That should stop ships being too uber.

[locutes]

The planet names sound great, but regarding the cities on them, will they be along the lines of "New London" ect.

not all of them have to but I cna see some nation using old names like Thermopalae or Batavia or Buitenzorg

[bradly08]

not all of them have to but I cna see some nation using old names like Thermopalae or Batavia or Buitenzorg

Good because I dont want to see a load of "new" cities. Countries should come up with unique names that reflect the country they are from.

[thekillman]

yup.

anyway i'm not an expert on pricing. so i'd hate to have that as a criteria. unless we can give estimates.

a JSF costs some 80 million, i expect gunships to be some 100 million a piece. although they won't need to be as numerous as fighters.

[locutes]

Good because I dont want to see a load of "new" cities. Countries should come up with unique names that reflect the country they are from.

I think that is most definatly needed, the names of citys will show what people you'd find there, so in cities with names like Buitenzorg, Batavia etc etc, you'd find dutch, but in cities like Thermopalae you'd find greek

[lord groovy]

I think that is most definatly needed, the names of citys will show what people you'd find there, so in cities with names like Buitenzorg, Batavia etc etc, you'd find dutch, but in cities like Thermopalae you'd find greek

we're still going with one planet = one city ?

[Davidtourniquet]

So for budget this is what I suggest:

Fighter: $500 million if you want a hyperdrive on the fighter, $250 million if you don't
Gunship: $1 billion
Cruiser: $20 billion
Battlecruiser: $50 billion (that's including the same number of F302s as Daedalus, $43 billion without)
Battleship: $90 billion