Original Starship Design Thread

[OculusMortis]

A little note before people start slapping military terms...

Dreadnaughts are ships with the most powerful guns, medium to light armor and shielding, and medium engines. They're designed to deliver a powerful blow, not deploy fighters and warships. It's the big gun. Making a dreadnaught a "rapid-response vessel" is like calling an armed Boeing 767 your "high speed inteceptor".

Carriers - THESE deploy your fighters and warships.

Light Carrier - These would more likely be your rapid-response vessels. Only carry a squadron or two, fastest engines, light to medium armor, and a few powerful defense weapons.

Do some research on how modern military deems their vessels before you start labelling their types. LOL.

The problem with this is that the Prometheus and I believe Daedalus are both called Battlecruisers with some regularity, when neither fit that role under naval nomenclature, so TPTB aren’t really UP on nomenclature themselves.

[cooky]

In one episode, I think in season 7 they did make a reference to a battle cruiser, but personally I think it was just a general statement.

Prometheus seemed to be little more than a platform used to test advanced technologies needed in starship construction that was later pressed into active service out of neccessity.

Daedalus herself has not been identified as anything, though it seems to fill the role of a light carrier to me. And Oddysey's uniform patch identifies it as a carrier. Daedalus class ships don't seem to have the firepower to quallify as anything else.

[OculusMortis]

I do believe the Prometheus was called a Battlecruiser more than once and the Daedalus also at least once, but I can’t be bothered to search transcripts to make sure, however I have seen a screen cap of the Daedalus, which has BC-02 painted on the side; with BC being naval nomenclature for Battlecruiser....
In reality the Daedalus is little more than a Light carrier, perhaps akin to escort carriers of WW2.

[Daryl Froggy]

This is something that won't be very good for the show but I'm posting it anyway tell me what you think.

Spoiler:

Name: Super Fly
Type: Superiority Space Fighter
Technology Base: Acumen(don't bother looking them up)/Earth
Dimensions:
Length: 32 ft.
Width: 40.3 ft.
Height: 8.6 ft.

Crew: 2 (navigator and pilot)

Displacement: 6 tons (1 gee environment)

Propulsion: Grav field creation/manipulation(falling foreward)

Weapons:
2x Variable energy cannons(mounted on the wingtips)

Defenses:
Trinium/titanium alloy hull and superstructure.

Production:
Alot

Background:
deasigned and built in a cooperative nature between Earth and the Acumen nation. It has seen combat only twelve times for the people of earth, given their limited prodection capability, but has been very helpful otherwise.

[Publius Aemilius Aper]

This is something that won't be very good for the show but I'm posting it anyway tell me what you think.



Name: Super Fly
Type: Superiority Space Fighter
Technology Base: Acumen(don't bother looking them up)/Earth
Dimensions:
Length: 32 ft.
Width: 40.3 ft.
Height: 8.6 ft.

Crew: 2 (navigator and pilot)

Displacement: 6 tons (1 gee environment)

Propulsion: Grav field creation/manipulation(falling foreward)

Weapons:
2x Variable energy cannons(mounted on the wingtips)

Defenses:
Trinium/titanium alloy hull and superstructure.
Goa’uld cloaking device based off of a Tel’tak’s.

Production:
Alot

Background:
deasigned and built in a cooperative nature between Earth and the Acumen nation. It has seen combat only twelve times for the people of earth, given their limited prodection capability, but has been very helpful otherwise.

Indeed...

[IcyNeko]

Well, not entirely. In all honesty, the 303 and 304's should be frigates seeing as how their ships don't really pack a heavy punch, but in modern navies, Frigates have been replaced with Cruisers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiser

Technically, Battlecruiser could still work for the 303/304's. They're built to sustain hits from ships their size, to be able to inflict damage to ships below up to and including their size... and outrun ships that could possibly destroy them.

The 303/304's may not take out a hatak, but they can take out anything up to a hatak. And it sure as hell can outrun most ships that can damage it.

[Col.Foley]

BC-312 U.S.S. Argo
Argo Class
Year of launch 2014
Technology base: Human/Asgard
Crew Complement:450
Dimensions:
Lenghth: 750meters
Width: 250 meters.
Heght:360 Meters
Decks: 30
Weapons:
25 Starboard and 25 port firing ion cannons.
4 bow firing ion cannons.
2 bow firing missile launchers, firing various missiles.
Missile payload:
Consists of various cruise missiles and point deffense missiles.
However special variants include:
24 Mk. VIII naquada enhanced nuclear warheads.
4 Naquadria enhanced nuclear war heads designated "Super Gate buster"
90 M.L.R.S. missiles that can be launched and deployed. When 50 meters from an enemy ship it deploys 800 mini fragmentation rockets enhanced with Naquada.
45 C.I.W.S. carrying 10.000 rounds of 40 milimeter ammo, firing 5,000 rounds a minute.
6 C.I.W.S. mini ion cannons.
Powerplant:
2 naqudria main reactors.
Propulsion:
Five ion propulsion engines. 2 stern, 1 bow, and one on each side.
Two Asgard Naquadria enhanced hyperspace engines.
Sensors: 1 L.J. 17 Subspace Radar capable of tracking Ha'taks up to three light years.
Other Technologies:
ASgard Shields
Trinium Hull
Asgard Transporters
45 F-302 or other fighter varriant compleate with hangars.
1 Puddle Jumper.
Optional retrofit variants:
One cloaking device.
One drone bay foward carrying 800 drones.
Other Ships in the class:
U.S.S. Columbia, year of launch, late 2014.
U.S.S. Defiant, year of launch. 2015.

Historicle/technicle notes.
The Argo so closely resembles the Prometheus so much that it was called, "Prometheus on steriods." The Ships are identicle in every way except for their size, and the two hangars were located on the underside of the ship instead of on the wings.
The Argo original concept started in late 2007 with the relization of two things. One, after the Ori War the I.S.G.C. relized they needed a ship that was a viable weapons platform, instead of a ship with very good shields.
Two, that after a study was done with the international comitie said it was worth the risk of building a ship, under the assumption that there was no more advanced technologies in the Milky Way. And the I.S.G.C. just finished constructing the first heavy ion cannons. However, the project ran into dificulties. One the ion technology was not able to be supplied by an appropriate ship based power source. The project would also nearly take one trillion American dollars to compleate.
Then finally with improved ion weapon technology and the first succesful naquadria power plant gave the project team the Green light to build in July of 2012. One of the biggeest improvements was the cost down to a mere 68 billion dollars to build, for Argo and 56 biliion to build for Columbia. The Ship originally was supposed to have no missiles but they were added to the design in August of 2013. The C.I.W.S. lasers were added two months before the ships compleation in 2014.
One interesting tid bit of the ships design was that in 2013 construction was handed over to the British. This led to another controversy tht nearly wrecked the project. Ironically it was, what to name her?
The names went form te following, U.S.S. Andromeda, H.M.S. Glasenbery Tor, H.M.S. Trafalger, H.M.S. Arthur, U.S.S. Enterprise, and finally U.S.S. Argo.
The commanding officer, or the second one was also a great matter of concern to the I.S.G.C. hierarchy at first. His name was Joshsua Hunter, a drunk, and unconfirmed drug taker that was 40 years old. He was one of the most important designers for the weapons systems on early vessels. However, he got passed up for command for, Odyssey, Dauntless, Poseidon, and most importantly of all for the Destiny. The Destiny was the straw that broke the cammals back, he retired from the Airforce and was not seen for awhile untill he took command of the Argo on July 15, 2015.
He would lead the ship into exploration and battle. He would fight, the Enoly, the Draque, the Wraith, and the Malcethi.
On April 21, 2021 the Ship would return to spacedock nearly destroyed by an unknown foe. Colonel Joshua Hunter would return with the ship.
The Argo's fate is being decided right now, whether or not to turn her into a mueseum or to refit her for battle. If she stays commisioned she will still be the only one of her class to survive, the Columbia, and Defiant were both destroyed.

[Daryl Froggy]

Col. Foley, I think that the ship you have there is too advanced for the human beings of earth to build even by the year 2030 much less 2014.

Also fixed weapons on starships may sound cool when the captain says "launch a broadside!" or something like that but it really doesn't make much sense otherwise after all how many modern warships in the navy have guns fixed to one side or the other of them?

IMO the humans of earth will never build a large amount of drones for combat. We have different needs in weaponry from the Alterans therefore we will develope different weapons to suite those needs.

I can't spot any other major points other than the fact that it carries 45 F-302's which would make it seem to be more of a carrier than anything else if you didn't take into account the large amount of heavy weaponry it has.

[IcyNeko]

This is something that won't be very good for the show but I'm posting it anyway tell me what you think.
Weapons:
2x Variable energy cannons(mounted on the wingtips)

THe only thing I have to say is that you should move the weapons in from the wing tips. Being a Wing Commander fanatic, I recall a lot of discussion saying that weapons on the wing tips are bad due to high succeptibility to damage (lose your wings, lose your weapons), plus high maintenance due to aligning the wing-tip guns.

Better to keep them on the body of the ship.

[Col.Foley]

Col. Foley, I think that the ship you have there is too advanced for the human beings of earth to build even by the year 2030 much less 2014.

Also fixed weapons on starships may sound cool when the captain says "launch a broadside!" or something like that but it really doesn't make much sense otherwise after all how many modern warships in the navy have guns fixed to one side or the other of them?

IMO the humans of earth will never build a large amount of drones for combat. We have different needs in weaponry from the Alterans therefore we will develope different weapons to suite those needs.

I can't spot any other major points other than the fact that it carries 45 F-302's which would make it seem to be more of a carrier than anything else if you didn't take into account the large amount of heavy weaponry it has.

O.K. good points all but I still need to defend my ship and its honor. For one thing I did not say that the weapons were fixed, they do have a turret system that allows them to fire at a cetain degree around the ship. Each turret obviously dosen't have 360 degree firing range but it shoould still cover the area that they are assigned too (port, starboard, bow.) But they should also be able to cover the bow and some cover on the stern.
Now granted I agree with you that this ship and its technology may not be availible by 2014. However the laser/ ion technology was being developed in season 7 by Jay Felgar. Even though that this project failed the scientists working for the S.G.C. would have plunty of time, and the need to improve it. Now granted there might be a few to many of them, but that is what I decided.
The final issue is the drones. I believe I said "retrofit variants" which means that this was something the I.S.G.C. would have liked to have if the supply of Drones ever became availible, but it was never installed on the Argo or any of her sister ships.
Just to clarify, sorry that I didn't clarify in the ship design.
As for the 302's I did make a serious blunder and I can't explain that, so very excellent point there. The reason why I decided on this number of ion cannons in the first place is I litterally based this ship off the Greek Argo which had fifty oars, and the Argo has fifty ion cannons. Which makes it the perfect name for the ship

[Col.Foley]

I just had a serious design change that would make the Argo more efecient not neccesarily more practical. Instead of having the turets mounted on the sides where they cannot do much damage and would leave plunty of blind spots. Here is what I propose, insteade of the Ancient U.S.S. Constituiton aproach to war fare have the ion cannons mounted on the top, and bottom mounted right down the center of the ship. This would give her the compleate range of fire with the last ion cannon mounted on the ships underbelly hangars so they can fire to the stern of the ship.
And how about twenty 302's. Does that sound any better.
Also I am currently working on an improved backstory as to where we actually got some of this tecnology.
I am also working on a fighter and a troop transport that I will most likely post tommorow in one post.

[Col.Foley]

Final Argo design changes:
Move two of the ion cannons on the top and bottom to the port and starboard respactively. They still have a turret but it has limited range, but with this wepons configuaration, and moving the aft most cannonon the top to just above the bridge deck, will give the Argo complete 360 degrees rate of fire.
Improved Historiclal file:
The technology behind the Argos weapons happened as a result of two things.
The I.S.G.C. had been able to develop ion cannon technology however the power requirments for the originals were enourmous, this led to the canning of the project. Then in 2008 SG-19 went through the gate and found a crashed Aschen harvester where there shouldn't have been one. After some debate the S.G.C. relized they could not pass up such a wonderful opertunity. SG-19, and SG-9 was sent back to the planet, they relized that they could not remove the power core but they found a way to the memory file. In here was the missing pieces to finish and improve Jay Felgars and Samantha Carter ion weapons technology. Then the first Naquadria reactor was developed successfully allowing the power requirements for this weapon. The wepon that was fully Earth built but Aschen inspired, estimated only 1/5 the destructive fire power bbut it took up only 1/20 of the original I.S.G.C. Ion cannon.
The Argo it was found could not defeat an Ori warship, or an O'Neill class, but it could take on any ship in the known Glaxy up to that, except for maybe a Malcethi Onslaught cruiser.
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X310/X310A Omeaga class fighter
Year of launch: 2016
Technology base: Human/Heberdan/ Asgard/ Wraith
Length: 18 Meters
Width:24meters,
Wingspan: 20 meters
Height: 11 meters with wheels deployed.
Power Plant:
One Naquadria enhanced reactor.
2 Heberdan/Asgard main engines for atmispheric and deep space flight.
1 break away heberdan/ Human ion propulsion engine capapble but not advised up to Mach 40.
Wepons:
2 mini ion weapons.
14 Unu Salus Victus 1 ounce of Naquada enhanced missiles.
5 Harm Anti Radiation Air to mud weapons.
Defensive technologies:
Trinium/Carbon/ Naquada reactive armour.
Wraith culling beam enhanced with Asgard beams.
Long range sensors.
Transport holding space for all weapons except for the mini ion cannons.
Or when out of weapons can hold 1 SG team.
Inertial dampners
Model A variants:
40 Unu Salus Victus missiles.
10 Harm missiles
Asgard shields.

Production run 2.
Historical/ tecnical notes
The X-310 started its develop in 2009, but the I.S.G.C. relized that the project to develop a super space supriorty fighter was impossible at the time. However, in 2014 Rodney Mckay, Rodik Zelenka, and Samantha Carter was able to reverse engineer Wraith Culling beams for the project. This allowed the two prototype fighters to be built by 2016.
The fighter was able to fire 10 missiles at once using this tecnology to wipe out large groups of fighters, this fighter never went into full scale production however with its advanced technologies. This fighter was meant to complimet the Argo and be the main fighter.

[Sam fisher]

GAU-10
Weight: 620 lb
Length: 9 Feet
Diameter: 6 Inches

Background:
The idea of the GAU-10 started when the commanding officers of the Daedalus and the Odyssey complained that the rail guns were ineffective against hard targets such as a Hive Ship or a Ha'tak. They wanted something that had a higher rate of fire and could cause more damage. One of the engineers working on the project received inspiration from the A-10 Warthogs GAU-8 Gatling gun.

Design:
The GAU-10 will parallel the GAU-8 in many ways. The GAU-10 will have seven 30mm barrels and the barrels will turn by a electric motor. However, thats where the similarity ends. The GAU-10 is shorter by 10 Feet and it is a Rail gun system.

Ammunition:
The GAU-10 will fire High Explosive Incendiary (HEI) rounds, and Armor-Piercing Incendiary (API) rounds. There are also inert Naquadah tipped rounds but those are a special payload.

Deployment: The GAU-10 will be deployed on all DSC-304s and there is also a new plane being designed around the GAU-10.


Sorry if this sounds a bit discombobulated, I have trouble writing down my ideas.

Could someone design a plane for this?

[aAnubiSs]

Could someone design a plane for this?

What size do you want on this new ship? Fighter-sized, gunboat, destroyer...? Also, I'm not too sure that a railgun would have to turn. It would probably be easier to just design a 7-barrel without the rotating. We have much stronger alloys to prevent any heating problem, and I think a rotating railgun would be much harder to do.

[Sam fisher]

I'm thinking something like the A-10.