Continuing Stargate

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

"As human beings, each of them was invaluable."

"The man died so I could live. I want to know more about him."


Those two lines gave me more hope for the show than anything else, especially the second. The first shows that Rush isn't completely cold; no one is utterly wicked. Plus, it's a refreshing truth in these times. The second, however, is what really picks up on the difference between the two shows. BSG was an unending pit of despair. Someone died. Why? Because that's just the circle of life. SGU offers something more. BSG was grounded in Eastern philosophy; nihilism. SGU aspires to redemption, the same thing that made Season 15 so memorable.


(And yes, I've been gone for a while. Dreadfully busy, you know, but I'm always keeping track. )

[Aewon]

Awful? Really? I vastly preferred it to "Children of the Gods" and it tied "Rising" for me. Besides, the show is about the people trying to survive, and for me, that's getting back to basics; early Stargate was about the team, not the explosions and spaceships, and I'm glad to see the focus shifting back to that.

Personally, I think it was even better than "Rising", but I agree with the rest of your post. "Air" was, to me, more Stargate than anything we've seen in years.

EDIT: One interesting thing to note is that it actually supports my continuation. Though it's not revealed, it's suggested that it may have been the Lucian Alliance who's behind the attack. As they are mostly smugglers and bandits I don't really see them as bold enough to try an attack like that. However, if they've become more organised, which happens in my continuation, then perhaps they would.

[s09119]

Personally, I think it was even better than "Rising", but I agree with the rest of your post. "Air" was, to me, more Stargate than anything we've seen in years.

EDIT: One interesting thing to note is that it actually supports my continuation. Though it's not revealed, it's suggested that it may have been the Lucian Alliance who's behind the attack. As they are mostly smugglers and bandits I don't really see them as bold enough to try an attack like that. However, if they've become more organised, which happens in my continuation, then perhaps they would.

Supports mine, too; if "Air" takes place at the same time as "Enemy at the Gate," then it takes place at the same time as "Shatterpoint," at the height of the Lucian Alliance's power under Zanous Garrin.

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

*cough* I assume you mean "near the same time". They can't possibly be concurrent.

[s09119]

*cough* I assume you mean "near the same time". They can't possibly be concurrent.

Well I'm rewriting "Enemy at the Gate" anyway, so the time may shift a bit, but yes, "near"

[Crazy Tom]

"As human beings, each of them was invaluable."

"The man died so I could live. I want to know more about him."


Those two lines gave me more hope for the show than anything else, especially the second. The first shows that Rush isn't completely cold; no one is utterly wicked. Plus, it's a refreshing truth in these times. The second, however, is what really picks up on the difference between the two shows. BSG was an unending pit of despair. Someone died. Why? Because that's just the circle of life. SGU offers something more. BSG was grounded in Eastern philosophy; nihilism. SGU aspires to redemption, the same thing that made Season 15 so memorable.

I agree, dunno about redemption, but definitely on the need for both hope and despair.

(And yes, I've been gone for a while. Dreadfully busy, you know, but I'm always keeping track. )

Yeah, flying saucers to reverse engineer, top secret files to go over, Area 51 stuff...

[SG-18]

I really liked Air. I think part three with the first two is going to make the beginning for me though. Right now, there wasn't enough Stargate... yet! Seems to be coming up soon.

Also, we know they only have 80 plus people. It is a vastly smaller, less equipped group (23 guns including sidearms) on this huge ship.

I really liked the Keno too. I think that'll be really cool avenue to pursue.

The thing about traditional SG at this time is that with the likes of carter and mckay, shep, mitchel, teal'c and others, it was almost too good. they got out of problems no normal person could get out of easily. Not to belittle the shows, but it was less realistic sometimes. That is my draw to SGU, its that it is what it would be like if you dropped walter, some technicians and the MPs onto a ship and in situations. What'd happen?

And I have to assume the sex scene was constantly debated up till the end by the writers as to whether or not to put it in this early or not. I personally appreciated it. It was well done, IMO, not too BSG (Which could be like porn at times) and shows that they are all human still. It could also mean pregnancies in the future, which could be done a lot better than teyla's.

speaking of secondary characters, i get the feeling we will be getting to know the secondaries a lot better too, seeing as there are only 80 people right now and no aliens yet.

looking forward to S16 s09!

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

The sex scene was the lowest point for me. All sex scenes, by their very nature, are pornographic (look up the actual meaning of the word if you don't believe me). To say that a sex scene is not pornographic is simply hogwash. The scene added nothing to the plot that could not have been done far more tactfully and morally, and was, on the whole, a gratuitous, sensual move for a less mature audience. I was quite disappointed that the writers decided they needed such a base ploy to draw people in. (Much like how the writers of SG-1 thought that they needed swearing in the first few seasons; anyone notice how the amount of it in the show plummeted after an audience was established? Even Hammond swore in the first couple seasons.)

[Jeffala]

I think that the sex scene was gratuitous, too, but it did give us one thing. At the beginning of the show (chronologically), Scott is a young officer who doesn't have his priorities in order, screwing around while on duty and whatnot. As the show progresses though, he has to grow up and become a leader. One could argue that by the end of that day, he is a profoundly changed man.

Of course, whether or not he reverts to his previous behavior now that his CO is back in command is another story.

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

As I said though, it could have been implied more tactfully. And I dearly hope these scenes don't become a regular thing, otherwise I, for one, will not be watching this show, no matter how highly I think of its plot.

[Crazy Tom]

As I said though, it could have been implied more tactfully. And I dearly hope these scenes don't become a regular thing, otherwise I, for one, will not be watching this show, no matter how highly I think of its plot.

I for one through the sex scene was rather like the toilet in Firefly: show it in the first episode to establish that it's there and move on.

[asdfgh]

I think they did it pretty tastefully. You couldn't see any nudity (aside from their legs), there wasn't to much moaning or noices. Overall, I think anyone should be able to watch it and not feel uncomfortable or embarrised if they're even slightly mature. But that's just my opinion, I can understand that some people are less comfortable with certain subject matter.

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Its not so much a matter of "comfort" as it is that I find the scene morally objectionable.

[Jeffala]

I didn't know that there was something immoral about two consenting adults having it off.

Of course, there is the chain of command issues, what with it seeming like Scott was Major What'sHisName's number 2 and she would therefore be under him (hehe, no pun intended).

[AVFan]

I didn't know that there was something immoral about two consenting adults having it off.

Of course, there is the chain of command issues, what with it seeming like Scott was Major What'sHisName's number 2 and she would therefore be under him (hehe, no pun intended).

It depends on your morals. While I may not share the same morals as many of the members here, here's what I found morally wrong about it (not even including my opinion that it detracted from the episode flow wise); of course all of this is IMO-
*Having sex out of wedlock is immoral. But I'm not going to make too big of a noise about that.
*Something like sex ought to be kept between the two consenting partners, and not out there for the whole world to see. If we really wanted to watch people 'have it off' as you say, we'll go to the internet where there's plenty of it.