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Originally posted by s09119 View PostAgreed. My fiction changes a few episodes' plots, so it's technically AU from canon, but I don't think that's bad at all. In fact, I think it's better for writers to toss out things they find TPTB did that were silly rather than shoehorn in reasoning for (IMHO) bad ideas they had.Sum, ergo scribo...
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Originally posted by mathpiglet View PostMany authors would argue that the way they write the canon characters is completely believable even if it was not shown on screen. I tend to think that any fiction written by a non-sanctioned author is AU. Some AU may be very close to canon, but it's still AU. But that's not necessarily a bad thing.The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it
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Canon is limiting.
if you write something which the character never experienced in the show, how do you write THAT in a Canon way? You can't.
AU is not bad or evil or 'the easy way out'. It all depends on the quality of the work itself and whether the reactions and actions of hte characters/situations is reasonable and believable in the context of the story.Originally posted by Apostle's Message ReduxShepard understood. Given the situation, he wasn't sure that exposing the planet to this kind of secret was smart. Miranda had regaled him with stories of how horrible 20th century Earth sounded in her history lessons and it made him leery. "I agree, god knows what would happen if Grunt got loose."
Joker snorted and muttered loudly. "Run! It's The Incredible Hulk! Kill it with fire!"
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I agree with both of you. However, I have read some fics in which the character behaves in a totally unbelievable way and had the author try to convince me it was possible. I suggested they find a character closer to the type of person they want, or if no such canon character exists, then make one up!Calculus and Alcohol don't mix. Never drink and derive.
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Yep, that's the beauty of working with OCs. You can make them be almost any way you want them to be.Sum, ergo scribo...
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Originally posted by mathpiglet View PostI agree with both of you. However, I have read some fics in which the character behaves in a totally unbelievable way and had the author try to convince me it was possible. I suggested they find a character closer to the type of person they want, or if no such canon character exists, then make one up!
I think sometimes there are issues of authors not liking a canon character so much that they try to change that character into the person they want them to be, not what they see on the tv. I kind of think that if you don't like a character that much, then don't write them in your fic or make up a reason why they are not featured and write an OC for the role you want.The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it
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Originally posted by Kunoichi View Postsnip
I think sometimes there are issues of authors not liking a canon character so much that they try to change that character into the person they want them to be, not what they see on the tv. I kind of think that if you don't like a character that much, then don't write them in your fic or make up a reason why they are not featured and write an OC for the role you want.Calculus and Alcohol don't mix. Never drink and derive.
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Originally posted by mathpiglet View PostThat's brilliant! I had not thought of that.Originally posted by Apostle's Message ReduxShepard understood. Given the situation, he wasn't sure that exposing the planet to this kind of secret was smart. Miranda had regaled him with stories of how horrible 20th century Earth sounded in her history lessons and it made him leery. "I agree, god knows what would happen if Grunt got loose."
Joker snorted and muttered loudly. "Run! It's The Incredible Hulk! Kill it with fire!"
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I can completely imagine Sam in "soldier Sam" mode, swearing and all. The woman's an Air Force officer, for heaven's sake. Not only that, but she's also the daughter of one. She's seen it, she's heard it, and I'm pretty damn sure she's done it. Remember, she tells us right off the bat in Children of the Gods that she logged over 100 hours in enemy airspace during the first Gulf War. You don't do something like that and remain any sort of an innocent, even if you'd been one going in, which you almost certainly wouldn't be. So no, trust me, this would absolutely NOT be out of character for her.
ETA: that's the beauty of fanfiction. On the show, especially once it was no longer on Showtime, they really couldn't include the amount of foul language that would almost certainly be a part of everyday life in a military unit under the kinds of extreme stress caused by being on the front line of human interaction with a wider and highly dangerous universe. In fic, we as authors have more or less free rein to de-sanitize the speech patterns of the characters to whatever extent seems reasonable for people in their positions. I know that in my fic, Jack has a bit of a potty mouth, and so does his buddy Frank. It shows in their internal self-talk all the time, and on occasion they say it out loud. Sam does as well, although she too is more likely to think it than to voice it aloud. But sometimes she does. As for Teal'c, we all know the Jaffa swear; they just don't do it in English. And someone like Daniel would have knowledge of more cuss words than all the rest of the SGC put together.
(I'm the daughter of a Navy veteran, the relative of several more, and I have my share of ex-boyfriends who were in the Air Force, as well as many friends who are former military. If I had a dollar for every piece of colorful language I've ever heard out of current and former military mouths, I'd be a wealthy woman!)Last edited by SF_and_Coffee; 01 May 2011, 05:22 PM.Sum, ergo scribo...
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I can completely imagine Sam in "soldier Sam" mode, swearing and all. The woman's an Air Force officer, for heaven's sake. Not only that, but she's also the daughter of one. She's seen it, she's heard it, and I'm pretty damn sure she's done it. Remember, she tells us right off the bat in Children of the Gods that she logged over 100 hours in enemy airspace during the first Gulf War. You don't do something like that and remain any sort of an innocent, even if you'd been one going in, which you almost certainly wouldn't be. So no, trust me, this would absolutely NOT be out of character for her.
Sam more recently focuses on technology since Vala and Mitchell can fight just fine, but Sam remains Air Force so she can definitely stand her own.
that's the beauty of fanfiction. On the show, especially once it was no longer on Showtime, they really couldn't include the amount of foul language that would almost certainly be a part of everyday life in a military unit under the kinds of extreme stress caused by being on the front line of human interaction with a wider and highly dangerous universe
similarly swear words aren't filtered out on radio. well a few channels do. but i always laugh really hard when they do.
swearing is part of life. in fact, when people swear they feel less pain. it's proven.
anyway, yes fic is AU but why would it be any less important? Stargate has set up it's Multiverse quite nicely, so while the Main Universe is the only universe of concern to Stargate the show, that doesn't mean others can be of concern to us.
most fics deviate from the Main Story at the point they start, which means that the people they write about are still the people we know and love.
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Originally posted by thekillman View Postyes fic is AU but why would it be any less important? Stargate has set up it's Multiverse quite nicely, so while the Main Universe is the only universe of concern to Stargate the show, that doesn't mean others can be of concern to us.
most fics deviate from the Main Story at the point they start, which means that the people they write about are still the people we know and love.Sum, ergo scribo...
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Exactly true, I think. Not to mention that Stargate was one of those franchises that invited its audience to 'play along' and use their own imagination. In fact, it was often required to make the show work. So if some of us are still using our imaginations with regard to it, that shouldn't be any big surprise
Stargate over it's run has created like, what, a dozen different universes? including multiple timelines.
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