They should have used the Attero device to win the war.

[Jeffala]

The Atlantean Council probably never even knew about the Attero Device. How would they use it if they didn't know about it? Sure they probably knew that over the course of three days a few Wraith ships exploded and so did any stargates that happened to be functioning but they likely never knew why.

If Janus never brought it to them, then he most likely never figured out how to undo the side-effects. And Janus, being an arrogant Lantean, probably figured that if he couldn't figure out the problem, then neither could anyone else.

[JackHarkness_Hot]

I doubt the Council knew of such technology as well.

[g.o.d]

I have to admit, they didn't use ark, didn't use grail, so honestly I doubt, they would have used attero device. They deserved to die for their arrogance and incompetence.

[JackHarkness_Hot]

Spoken like a true god.. g.o.d

The Ancients did believe in free-will a lot.

[andromeda_dan]

the problem created by Janus' contraption is not something that can be fixed by uploading a program into a DHD, the device most likely have messed up some law of physics that created the energy build-up. The avenger was a program designed to filter into the DHD system and update the software after it has created a connection, while the energy over-load issue was generated by a machine that can spread the effects thru the gate system when a wornhole is created. Just imagine a sink drain. Turn the faucet on, and water starts flowing down the drain and thru the pipe system. You can put a plug (shield or iris with reference to the gate) on the other end to keep the water (energy) from going thru, but it won't stop the running water and pressure from building up, the water will need to be shut-off from the source.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

One also has to consider that:

Spoiler:

when the Attero device was created its quite likely it was made in secret near the end of the war with the Wraith and once deactivated, the Ancients were forced to leave the galaxy before Janus had any chance to fix any problems with it like something as grand as shutting down the entire gate network.

[SoulReaver]

in the next episode

Spoiler:

active stargates go kaboom

that's one hell of a "side effect"


/!\ warning /!\ read entire notice before using device, discontinue use if your planet goes boom

[jenks]

Indeed. Kudos to the writers for making the Ancients look more and more stupid...

Morality is relative, you can't apply our idea of right and wrong and apply it to a group of aliens.

[SoulReaver]

The Wraith have what the Ancients never will - they have PIZZAZZ!!!

only 4 wraith are known to have pizzas : Raphael, Donatello, Michaelangelo & Leonardo. also these wraiths are green & are not wraith

[YutheGreat]

People are having an issue with the avenger idea. I said something like Avenger. THe ANcient have this supposed infinite bastion of knowledge surely they would be able to create another more effective means of achieving this.

If Ancients use Avenger There was someone who said the Wraith could fight Avenger. They probably could but to fight avenger; they first need to locate the original DHD infected because the gate system address is still stored there. This presents two problems:
First If they find it they need to get there to fix it.
Second it should be in a heavily fortified ancient planet. The kind they need an armada of hiveships.

Someone said the Wraith have uninfeced one in their ships it can't be the correlative update is required to make them work.

[Stormtrooper]

Morality is relative, you can't apply our idea of right and wrong and apply it to a group of aliens.

Morality has nothing to do with stupidity.

[Xaeden]

they first need to locate the original DHD infected because the gate system address is still stored there. This presents two problems:
First If they find it they need to get there to fix it.
Second it should be in a heavily fortified ancient planet. The kind they need an armada of hiveships.

They shouldn't need to deal with the original source of infection like Sg-1 did. The reason Sg-1 had to do that was because it was the least complicated way. Originally, though, they were planning to try to convert one DHD back to the old system by creating a translation program. However, they could only do this by finding a gate with a changed address and comparing it to the old one. For them this meant randomly dialing the gate - For the Wraith this would've been easier because they could've used their extensive knowledge of planatary locations to figure out which gate moved far enough since the last update so its address would be new and then comparing what its address was to what it would be now.

But, that's assuming they don't come up with their own plan and, personally, I think it's more likely that they could create their own virus which would would activate the correlative update and attack the original virus in each DHD.

Someone said the Wraith have uninfeced one in their ships it can't be the correlative update is required to make them work.

No, the idea is to use their remote DHD to dial a planet with a DHD and upload the changes into that one. At which point its correlative update program would've been activated just like it was activated when the virus made the initial change.

Of course, in retrospect, this wouldn't work if the Attero device destroys both the gate that dialed out and the gate that was dialed to (which I think it does since the idea is that it overloads active gates) since the gate that they dialed to would need the gate to shut down in order to upload the program. But if that wasn't the case then it would lead to a chain reaction which would destroy every gate in the network and if it isn't the case, the Wraith still have another option. They could tell the Ancients that for every so-and-so period of time that the Attero device remains active, they are going to dial a Spacegate to the most heavily populated planet they can think of and if the Ancients try to stop them by coming in ships, the Spacegate would be dialed as soon as they spotted them exiting hyperspace.

[jenks]

Morality has nothing to do with stupidity.

And the decision they made had nothing to do with stupidity either, they obviously didn't use it on moral grounds, not incompetence.

[GateofDOOM]

And imagine the galaxy without the Wraith.

Imagine the Ancients ruling all...with their dull personalities, and their bland attire, and their absolute lack of a sense of humor. Imagine their continued experimentation with science, the same science that manipulated cultures in The Game, or created the nanovirus in Hot Zone. A boring, rigid, pompous culture, yet just as dangerous - if no more so - than the Wraith.

The Wraith, on the other hand, embrace nature in their technology. The interior of their ships are an array of color and light, textured and layered and alive. They have an eye for beauty and personal adornment, they have style and personality and a sense of humor. MUCH more interesting to watch for 45 minutes compared to the sterile Ancients.

So, had the Ancients won the war, then you would be watching them, week after week, droning on and on about how wonderful they are and how they must ascend because that makes them even better...and the show wouldn't have lasted a season.

So, thank god the Wraith won! At least we get to enjoy their sleek, coolio ships and spiffy leather coats and long, silken locks...and even a joke or two! None of that would have been if the Ancients had defeated them all those years ago. So, I say - long live the Wraith! And down with anyone who tries to stop them... *glares daggers at the 'new race' *


das

The replicators made that virus.

And that is the reason why I wish that episode had never happened....because it set up the Replicators.


But the ancients did make the stupid replicators!!

[Stormtrooper]

And the decision they made had nothing to do with stupidity either, they obviously didn't use it on moral grounds, not incompetence.

They weren't incompetent, they were just stupid (and coward). They had the tools to beat the Wraith, but decided not to, leaving billions of human beings behind (their creation) to be eaten by the Wraith. Masters of morality indeed :-\