details for last two episodes

[Aryk Celestis]

I'm pretty excited about these last two episodes. I agree that it looks like SGA's going out on a high note (or as high a note as can be) and I also hope that 'Enemy at the Gate' will have a huge spacebattle above Earth that will finally result in the revelation of the Stargate programme.

Regarding the matter of where the heck Todd's subordinate got all those ZPM's from: I have a bit of a theory about that. What if, rather than having obtained them all here, the Wraith acquired them from different realities? (similiar to what the alternative SG-1 wanted to do in 'Ripple Effect') If there was even one ZPM in a place that was relatively easy to access, the Wraith could take the same one from alternative realities. The theory might seem a bit farfetch'd, but it would explain 'Enemy at the Gate's' tie-in with 'Vegas'.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

I'm pretty excited about these last two episodes. I agree that it looks like SGA's going out on a high note (or as high a note as can be) and I also hope that 'Enemy at the Gate' will have a huge spacebattle above Earth that will finally result in the revelation of the Stargate programme.

Regarding the matter of where the heck Todd's subordinate got all those ZPM's from: I have a bit of a theory about that. What if, rather than having obtained them all here, the Wraith acquired them from different realities? (similiar to what the alternative SG-1 wanted to do in 'Ripple Effect') If there was even one ZPM in a place that was relatively easy to access, the Wraith could take the same one from alternative realities. The theory might seem a bit farfetch'd, but it would explain 'Enemy at the Gate's' tie-in with 'Vegas'.

I think the tie in with Vegas comes from the subspace message telling the Wraith the location of Earth.
Regarding the ZPMs the most likely outcome of that is that they were salvaged from the cloning facility before it blew, or perhaps when Todd's Darts stole them from Asuras this subordinate was amongst the people that beamed down to steal them from the Asurans and pocketed several for himself.

I think Joe Malozzi has mentioned that the 'Ghost in the Mahine' Aurora was deactivated and left on that planet Weir and her friends settled on.
perhaps the Tria was reactivated, it's hyperdrive fixed and taken back to Earth, it would be so cool to see that thing fight and if it's been put pack into fighting shape could help to give the Hive a run for it's money.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

I agree. The Wraith have far more resources at their disposal than our expedition, plus because of the Wraith/Ancient war they know where the Ancients kept a lot of there facilities, so would know where to look in the first place!

That's also true, who knows maybe this Wraith has found a ZPM storage/construction facility, the latter would mean we may finally learn how ZPMs are made and make it easy to fully power Atlantis if a few were ready to be used.
I think Lorne is shown holding a case which could hold a ZPM or two.

I can't resist speculating to extremes.

[ph30nix]

im sorry but this whole story idea sounds kinda crock of ****tish for me.

them getting there hands on a ZPM isnt the crock part

for one look at it this way the 304's were able to survive a few hits from an ORI ship without a ZPM (with a ZPM they could last a long while) without a zpm a 304 can go toe to toe for a considerable ammount of time

throwing a ZPM onto a hive wouldnt make there weapons any stronger at most they would fire even faster (wraith seem to go for quantity of shots over quality so i doubt there systems could handle a super charge barrage without frying everything. rapid fire maybe super charge shot not a chance)

and even with a ZPM they still have no shields which even if they did the 304's plasma beams took out ori ships in what 2-3 shots? not even?

basicly if a 304 can handle a ORI ship no problem i dont care how many ZPM's a hive ship has it shouldnt stand a chance.

now true rapid fire shots and more rapid hull regeneration would help them last longer but the fact the 304's could just cut them in half not much regen going on after that

and i could see the deady being caught off guard by the hive and not expecting it to pack a bigger punch then usual but after the initial sucker punch the hive wouldnt last 5 seconds vs any 304 ZPM powered or not.

also Drone chair on earth would cut the hive to shreds no contest.

so unless the writers are going to explain that the hive has been super duper supped up (and i mean REAL improvements like they finaly got shields and they changed there weapons array) or its a straight out NEW type of ship theres no logical way for one hive with a ZPM to handle a 304 in a straight fight.

and seeing how the wraight havnt improved there tech in 10k years... i realy dont see that being the case

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

im sorry but this whole story idea sounds kinda crock of ****tish for me.

them getting there hands on a ZPM isnt the crock part

for one look at it this way the 304's were able to survive a few hits from an ORI ship without a ZPM (with a ZPM they could last a long while) without a zpm a 304 can go toe to toe for a considerable ammount of time

throwing a ZPM onto a hive wouldnt make there weapons any stronger at most they would fire even faster (wraith seem to go for quantity of shots over quality so i doubt there systems could handle a super charge barrage without frying everything. rapid fire maybe super charge shot not a chance)

and even with a ZPM they still have no shields which even if they did the 304's plasma beams took out ori ships in what 2-3 shots? not even?

basicly if a 304 can handle a ORI ship no problem i dont care how many ZPM's a hive ship has it shouldnt stand a chance.

now true rapid fire shots and more rapid hull regeneration would help them last longer but the fact the 304's could just cut them in half not much regen going on after that

and i could see the deady being caught off guard by the hive and not expecting it to pack a bigger punch then usual but after the initial sucker punch the hive wouldnt last 5 seconds vs any 304 ZPM powered or not.

also Drone chair on earth would cut the hive to shreds no contest.

so unless the writers are going to explain that the hive has been super duper supped up (and i mean REAL improvements like they finaly got shields and they changed there weapons array) or its a straight out NEW type of ship theres no logical way for one hive with a ZPM to handle a 304 in a straight fight.

and seeing how the wraight havnt improved there tech in 10k years... i realy dont see that being the case

A standard 304 can only last for just over a minute against 3 regular Hives (see how many ships attack the Daedalus in The Siege part 3) and perhaps a few Cruisers, I bet this new one is going to be a lot more powerful than that.
If the Wraith in EATG has built the Hive with ZPMs in mind as it's main power source then yes it's weapons could be improved greatly in both power and firing rate.
Even without shields all of the extra power (which BTW is meant to be coming from more than just 1 ZPM) could serve to rapidly increase the Hives hull regeneration speed (given how quickly the Hive that grew out of Keller in the Seed started to grow once it tapped into the main power lines of Atlantis).
While it has been shown in the past (The Last Man season 4 of SGA) that a Hive can be destroyed in 3 shots of the beams, that was obviously from targeting an extremely explosive part of the ship and I'd bet this Hive may not have the same huge looking generators as regular Hives, so that weakness may not be present, plus if it's armor is several times thicker than a regular Hive's the beams may have no where near the same effect on this Hive as they do normal Hives.

In Misbegotten it was said that the Ancient outpost could probably take out the two Hives in No Man's Land but would probably use the last of the Drones, which given that this Hive may have stronger armor could mean that the Drones from the outpost will only slow down the Hive at best.

My point is that it's highly unlikely that this Hive will get owned by a standard 304 with no ZPM boosting it's shields and even a 304 with a ZPM probably wouldn't win on it's own, IMO it's gonna take practically everything Earth has to take it down.

It's gonna be one hell of a battle to see.

[ph30nix]

A standard 304 can only last for just over a minute against 3 regular Hives (see how many ships attack the Daedalus in The Siege part 3) and perhaps a few Cruisers, I bet this new one is going to be a lot more powerful than that.
If the Wraith in EATG has built the Hive with ZPMs in mind as it's main power source then yes it's weapons could be improved greatly in both power and firing rate.
Even without shields all of the extra power (which BTW is meant to be coming from more than just 1 ZPM) could serve to rapidly increase the Hives hull regeneration speed (given how quickly the Hive that grew out of Keller in the Seed started to grow once it tapped into the main power lines of Atlantis).
While it has been shown in the past (The Last Man season 4 of SGA) that a Hive can be destroyed in 3 shots of the beams, that was obviously from targeting an extremely explosive part of the ship and I'd bet this Hive may not have the same huge looking generators as regular Hives, so that weakness may not be present, plus if it's armor is several times thicker than a regular Hive's the beams may have no where near the same effect on this Hive as they do normal Hives.

In Misbegotten it was said that the Ancient outpost could probably take out the two Hives in No Man's Land but would probably use the last of the Drones, which given that this Hive may have stronger armor could mean that the Drones from the outpost will only slow down the Hive at best.

My point is that it's highly unlikely that this Hive will get owned by a standard 304 with no ZPM boosting it's shields and even a 304 with a ZPM probably wouldn't win on it's own, IMO it's gonna take practically everything Earth has to take it down.

It's gonna be one hell of a battle to see.

see some problems with this thinking though is, The wraith were able to get there hands on ZPM's during the war and have repeatedly after the war, (apparently) sooooo then why havnt we run into any hives like this already? figure in a civil war any hive with just one of these backing up there normal hives would have already dominated over the other factions.

but nope they pull this rabit outta there hat at that last minute. but i guess thats a differnt issue, and if they are saying that this hive was specificaly made from the start with multiple ZPM's then it might be stronger, but again remember there crap is organic just having a super powerful energy source as its base isnt going to do anything to make it stronger, they are going to have actualy put special effort into improving there stuff.

so again in the end unless they come out and say this is a VERY special hive that was built specificaly for this and they have been working on for awhile (which again they havnt changed there tech in 10k years why now? and there tech stoped the ancients why not power up another cloning facility? im sure they had more then 1 if not why not make another numbers had always been the wraiths greatest asset and they should know even if they get to earth they still have that whole galaxy worth of powers to deal with so 1 supped up hive wont help much)

basicly this is sounding like a very very short sited plan on the wraiths part (which yea they dont seem to be big picture people aside from michael) but yea would seem pretty stupid to put everything they have into this ONE hive unless it was damn new unbeatable which they cant guarentee since they dont know what they will have to deal with.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

see some problems with this thinking though is, The wraith were able to get there hands on ZPM's during the war and have repeatedly after the war, (apparently) sooooo then why havnt we run into any hives like this already? figure in a civil war any hive with just one of these backing up there normal hives would have already dominated over the other factions.

I don't see any problems with my thinking here.
The Wraith used the ZPMs they got during the war to create the man power and possibly construct more ships needed faster to greatly out number the Ancients, they never had a civil war amongst themselves as far as we're aware during the war and their ships are very tough especially when you get a whole bunch of them together.
Hives and Cruiser escorts in great numbers can do a lot of damage, so up until say this Wraith who is supposedly a subordinate to Todd managed to find the ZPMs constructing super powered Hives hasn't been possible.
The ZPMs in Spoils of War were used by that queen and her fellow Wraith to make more soldiers, so it's likely that there weren't any more lying around available to be used to make such a Hive.

but nope they pull this rabit outta there hat at that last minute. but i guess thats a differnt issue, and if they are saying that this hive was specificaly made from the start with multiple ZPM's then it might be stronger, but again remember there crap is organic just having a super powerful energy source as its base isnt going to do anything to make it stronger, they are going to have actualy put special effort into improving there stuff.

Just because Wraith technology is organic in nature that doesn't make it poor in quality and yes extra power will go to supercharge this Hive's abilities.
If you think standard 304's take about 18 days to go from MW to PG, then when you add a ZPM it suddenly shortens the journey time to 4 days traveling in hyperspace and it's shields can withstand like 10 shots from an Ori mother ship instead of 3 (or 2 and bit).
I think we're going to see something similar happen here with the Hive and if this Hive is powered off of anything more than a single ZPM it's hull will be drastically stronger and heal much quicker, weapon power will probably increase in strength and firing rate and the ship is gonna be much faster, hence why it can make it to the Milky Way.

so again in the end unless they come out and say this is a VERY special hive that was built specificaly for this and they have been working on for awhile (which again they havnt changed there tech in 10k years why now? and there tech stoped the ancients why not power up another cloning facility? im sure they had more then 1 if not why not make another numbers had always been the wraiths greatest asset and they should know even if they get to earth they still have that whole galaxy worth of powers to deal with so 1 supped up hive wont help much)

I would imagine that this Wraith craves power and thinks a super powered Hive will give him all of the power he needs to say create his own faction and wipe the floor with the others (perhaps Todd's faction has sided with the subordinate and is now backing him in the Pegasus galaxy).
If this Wraith can bring masses of Humans to his fellow Wraith it would be a good reason for him to go to the Milky Way after getting the subspace message from the alternate reality.

Regarding the changes in tech, they won't be that great in degree as all the extra power from the ZPMs would just make this Hive much more powerful, it'll be able withstand a huge barrage of assaults from practically any enemy even if it doesn't have shields.
Like I've said before, unless you're say targeting a vulnerable part of a Hive with something massively explosive under the armor it takes quite a few shots from the beams to take one out, now imagine thicker, tougher hull armor and nothing majorly explosive to hit underneath and you should get why I think this Hive will be such a big threat to Earth.

As far as increasing the numbers I guess it's possible that this Hive and it's crew could be all the subordinate Wraith has managed to get together and going to the Milky Way could be a much safer bet than taking on the entire Wraith fleet.
Wraith above all things value survival, so attacking a surprised Earth, which probably has less to fight back with than a group of factions would probably be safer in the beginning of his campaign.

basicly this is sounding like a very very short sited plan on the wraiths part (which yea they dont seem to be big picture people aside from michael) but yea would seem pretty stupid to put everything they have into this ONE hive unless it was damn new unbeatable which they cant guarentee since they dont know what they will have to deal with.

That may be, but it's sounding to me at least like this Wraith is operating mainly on his own, perhaps with one queen and only a Hive's worth of soldiers.
You're forgetting that this Hive could be powered off of anywhere from 4 and upwards number of ZPMs, so it's gonna be several times tougher than a standard Hive.