Season Five : Complaints and Misgivings

[Jackie]

Don't worry, I'm sure they will stick woosley in tight black leather too.

What we saw was AU woosley......so he doesn't really count.

[mcbarr]

I don't know what is and isn't AU anymore. It's all so confusing.

[ShadowMaat]

If TLM is an example of what we can expect from the Monster Baby of Doom storyline, then man, I wish I could demand my money back. All this falsely inflated melodrama for that?! It's... embarrassing, really. Definitely not worth tuning in to see.

You know what I need someone to do? Make me a recording of all Lorne's scenes from S4 and S5 so I can ogle my pretty without having to stomach the dreck all around him.

[kali1]

Well, he says that a lot too. "Wait and see..."



Keller will have done everyone by the end of season five. She's trying to outkirk John

Spoiler:

Uniforms are getting tighter and smaller all the time. It's not just Teyla anymore

Cutting back costs to 'expand familar faces' perhaps?

Was he in TLM? Is it TLM your talking about?

LOL! Keller is on her way to outkirking John, isn't she? LOL

Spoiler:

YEah, they are all getting tighter and it looks unflattering. Yes, Woosley was in TLM.

[kali1]

Don't worry, I'm sure they will stick woosley in tight black leather too.

What we saw was AU woosley......so he doesn't really count.

Woosley in black leather? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! That is a scary thought!!!!

[ElessarUSMC]

Am I supposed to use spoiler code even the thread warns of spoilers? I will anwyay... regarding S5's purported base commander...

Spoiler:

The thing that irritates me about Woolsey being base commander isn't so much that I don't like Woolsey, it's that NOBODY likes Woolsey and therefore it's nothing more than an attention-grabbing shock-factor. It's just like when they asked em why they killed off Beckett and they said they wanted to "shake things up". It's shameless ratings-pandering, and it's not done in the pursuit of quality writing or a favorable fan experience, it's got no other purpose than sadistic voyeurism of a squirming fanbase.

What, so we're supposed to watch Woolsey screw everything up for 19 episodes so that in the finale of Season 5, Sheppard and perhaps some previously-lost hero of the show like Ford or Beckett or, even reaching further back into the repetoire to SG1 likenesses, Daniel or Teal'c or ****, if they get REALLY desperate, O'Neill, to fix the fruits of the IOA's ignorant, narrow civvie vision of how to run a military operation in a cutthroat galaxy far far away?

Give me a break, it's totally pandering to getting people to tune in for a train wreck. It's going to go badly and everyone knows it. Presenting trainwrecks in AUs is ok because it's over in 42 minutes.

Doing it for 20 weeks is not something a lot of people are going to put up with, at least I wouldn't if I wasn't sure that they were going to try and pull some miraculous 11th hour turn-around... And the worst part is that I WILL sticka round for it!

DAHH!!!

By the way, "The Last Man" was fantastic. Easily the best SGA episode in 2 or 3 seasons.

For a second there, I was happy to hear there'd be a

Spoiler:

new base commander... I was thinking Sheppard, Caldwell, orrr.... hell, Daniel even. Probably has the best grasp of Ancient technology and culture of anyone alive.... Of course, the Atlantis mission has really turned into a Wraith-based mission. The fact that it's an Ancient city has kind of become immaterial.

It coulda been anybody else I would have been happy.

I'm also bummed to hear that Tori Higgins didn't sign back on... That's going to make that whole scene they did a few episodes back of her apparently-replicator-self saying "Now we can begin..." rather enigmatically MEANINGLESS.

I think that in the whole process of this one-step-forward in getting a whole new paradigm for Season 5 they need to take two steps back and revive some of the first season's new-car-smell feel to the base and the crew. New base commander we don't know... some new SG team leaders that are important enough and interesting enough to be repeat characters, like Lorne was back in the day. Maybe a new race that's not just another Replicator or another Genii or someone easily categorizable as either a Wraith victim/sympathizer/worshipper.

They're rounding the same corner SG1 did for the 14th time when the Goa'uld started to get old. They need new blood without meaninglessly spilling existing blood, new goals and new prospects that aren't just spins on the old ones.

[Anuna]

Dumping Torri Higginson was very meaningless, just like LOT of things in this "best season evah" were meaningless. I agree with you, Ellesar, you make some very good points - the shock factor is being done (again) to boost ratings, and not to offer quality entertainment. daniel would have been an interesting choice, but a character like him requires some very good writing. And there's no good writing.

I didn't bother to watch TLM. I'm afraid nothing can make me excited about Atlantis. Well only one thing could. Bring back Weir as a leader, full time.

[Anuna]

Oh and they'll be looking for the baby in all the wrong places. "My son, John, save my son!" *runs gagging*

Exactly. There goes the "brave leader" of proooooud alien race. *gags*

can woolsey start by eating that uniform? it looks gawdawful on him.

keller and woolsey? bwahahahah! *cough* Don't see it, don't think the writers are THAT bad... yet.

Actually they aren't that good. It would be hilarious. Darn, John got a competition. i'm waiting for Keller to do him.

[Southern Red]

Remember being in elementary school...5th or 6th grade probably...when the teacher decided that the class was going to conclude the unit on the Middle Ages by painting a mural? She very carefully covered a large bulletin board in white paper, mixed up the various colors of tempera paint in little baby food jars for everybody to share and handed out brushes. Everybody brought an old shirt of their dad's from home and covered their clothes, rolled up the sleeves to above the elbows and waited to begin. You divided into groups to begin the drawing. One group carefully sketched a village with a wooden bridge over the small river running next to it. The second group drew a castle off at a distance on top of a hill, and the third drew a group of knights on horseback escorting the fair maiden to the castle for her marriage with the king. As the days went by, you carefully began coloring in the various shapes with the proper shades taking care to make it as lifelike as possible.

Then after about a week of getting elbowed in the side by that bratty kid with the freckles who just insisted on painting blood on all the swords and horse droppings everywhere, you began to get bored. Along with most of the other boys and a few girls in the class, you began sneaking peasants relieving themselves behind every bush and gradually began making the maiden's bust larger and larger. Finally, you said screw it and joined in the paint fight that ended with screaming and crying girls and the teacher vowing never to attempt such an exercise ever again. Remember all that?

Well, the writers of SGA are that bratty kid with the freckles. And they are just about to bloody their first sword. Welcome to S5. Thank you so much.

[ShadowMaat]

It's the horse droppings they expect us to laugh at that bother me more.

[ElessarUSMC]

I didn't bother to watch TLM. I'm afraid nothing can make me excited about Atlantis. Well only one thing could. Bring back Weir as a leader, full time.

I think it's worth watching... The first 38 minutes were especially good before "the main conflict" was resolved and then they started on what would be the cliff hanger.

<real person comments>

Now they're just gonna add more hotties with

Spoiler:

this Dr. Porter and Captain Vega coming on... The only thing I would like to see as a result of Woolsey as Atlantis base commander is a Wraith like Todd get back to Earth and stand before a room full of IOA and tell them that they're all retarded for putting a civvie in charge of Atlantis.

By the way, about TLM, can I just say about Ronon's scene with SPOILERS!

Spoiler:

Todd that that was ****in awesome. The only thing I wanted a little more from Ronon, I mean maybe it's too much to ask, but right before he pulled the plunger at the Wraith base on the C4, if he'd looked at the Wraith (having just fought together) and said something like "It's been fun" and cracked a smile, hehehe. It would have emphasized a bit of a journey for Ronon to get over his unilateral, unhinging, unchanging HATRED of all Wraith.

Given that fighting is Ronon's THING, I fighting is one thing he could come to respect a Wraith for. Todd was one hell of a badass. It reminded me of Teal'c and Ronon's fighting together.

[Reiko]

Dumping Torri Higginson was very meaningless, just like LOT of things in this "best season evah" were meaningless. I agree with you, Ellesar, you make some very good points - the shock factor is being done (again) to boost ratings, and not to offer quality entertainment.

I just watched The Long Goodbye. It was Torri's episode all the way. They've missed out on a lot without her.

Actually they aren't that good. It would be hilarious. Darn, John got a competition. i'm waiting for Keller to do him.

It's gonna happen. I mean, Johnny boy is the only person who hasn't gotten any quality time with Keller. Put two kirks together and . . . (y'know)

[kali1]

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I just watched The Long Goodbye. It was Torri's episode all the way. They've missed out on a lot without her.

Yes they have. I am still so glad she told them no.

It's gonna happen. I mean, Johnny boy is the only person who hasn't gotten any quality time with Keller. Put two kirks together and . . . (y'know)

Give them time, give them time. LOL

[Irish Eyes]

Remember being in elementary school...5th or 6th grade probably...when the teacher decided that the class was going to conclude the unit on the Middle Ages by painting a mural? She very carefully covered a large bulletin board in white paper, mixed up the various colors of tempera paint in little baby food jars for everybody to share and handed out brushes. Everybody brought an old shirt of their dad's from home and covered their clothes, rolled up the sleeves to above the elbows and waited to begin. You divided into groups to begin the drawing. One group carefully sketched a village with a wooden bridge over the small river running next to it. The second group drew a castle off at a distance on top of a hill, and the third drew a group of knights on horseback escorting the fair maiden to the castle for her marriage with the king. As the days went by, you carefully began coloring in the various shapes with the proper shades taking care to make it as lifelike as possible.

Then after about a week of getting elbowed in the side by that bratty kid with the freckles who just insisted on painting blood on all the swords and horse droppings everywhere, you began to get bored. Along with most of the other boys and a few girls in the class, you began sneaking peasants relieving themselves behind every bush and gradually began making the maiden's bust larger and larger. Finally, you said screw it and joined in the paint fight that ended with screaming and crying girls and the teacher vowing never to attempt such an exercise ever again. Remember all that?

Well, the writers of SGA are that bratty kid with the freckles. And they are just about to bloody their first sword. Welcome to S5. Thank you so much.

*chokes with laughter*

Mental green since it won't let me. I could picture this all in my head! lol

It's the horse droppings they expect us to laugh at that bother me more.

Exactly. And after season 4, I really fear for Zelenka.

I don't know what is and isn't AU anymore. It's all so confusing.

Anybody remember how St. Elsewhere ended?

[Integrabyte]

Bring back Sam, give Keller a free coupon to go home