BOO To Clones

[sg1_david]

I agree wae that Black Panther.

[TDgamer]

Okay, I have a question:

Take away the disease. That is the only indicator that this is a clone and not the real Carson. Just for ****s and giggles, let us say that we did not know whether the one they rescued or the one that died was the clone or the real one. Would that change your opinion of him at all? For all intents and purposes, this is the real Carson. Yes, I realize that he is a clone, but the truth is that anything Carson experienced before "Misbegotten", this clone essentially experienced. If you asked him how he felt when he first sat down in the chair in the Antarctic outpost, or when he stepped through the gate and first laid eyes on the wonder that is Atlantis. If you asked him how scared he was when the shield was on the verge of collapsing and Atlantis being destroyed forever, taking his life with him. Or if you asked how scared he was when the Wraith hive ships were knocking at the door and they had no shield coverage, I guarantee you that he could describe it perfectly. He experienced all that as "our Carson". The only difference between "our Carson" and the clone is the last two years. The only difference is that "our Carson" died and this one spent the last two years forced to work on a protein that kills 30% of the humans who have it forced on them.

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[Mitchell82]

Oy this is what happens when people are misquoted.

And this surprises you how? Alot of people have misquoted that. Personally as much as I hoped it would be the old Carson it couldn't have been done better IMO.

[Hypochondriac]

I'm kind of glad it's a clone. If it had been the real carson, I would be complaining about the absurdity of Michel being able to make a clone so fast on that planet with next to 0 equipment

[ToasterOnFire]

Okay, I have a question:

Take away the disease. That is the only indicator that this is a clone and not the real Carson.

What about the fact that Carson couldn't shoot Michael? Obviously there's more to the clone than just duplicated DNA and memories - it is NOT "our Carson". Who knows what other surprises Michael has implanted into Carson.

[BubblingOverWithIdeas]

I'm kind of glad it's a clone. If it had been the real carson, I would be complaining about the absurdity of Michel being able to make a clone so fast on that planet with next to 0 equipment

Now the only problem is how Michael copied Beckett's memories and personality without having him present. Unless he stored those within those own mind after using his psi powers to coerce Beckett in "Misbegotten" (as we saw).

[Mitchell82]

Now the only problem is how Michael copied Beckett's memories and personality without having him present. Unless he stored those within those own mind after using his psi powers to coerce Beckett in "Misbegotten" (as we saw).

I'd say it's likely that's how he has his memories.

[Gaeth]

I'm kind of glad it's a clone. If it had been the real carson, I would be complaining about the absurdity of Michel being able to make a clone so fast on that planet with next to 0 equipment

They could've had the Asurans clone him and then somehow Michael stole the clone. That would've required a lot more backtracking though.

[Amalthea]

I don't mind that he's a clone. As was noted in another thread, the Asgard were all clones and they were still accepted (yes I know there's a difference between how they went about the consciousness downloading). The fact that he was cloned doesn't mean that we can pretend that the original Carson is still alive, of course, but it's nice that Michael's science has allowed a part of him to live on. It's something and it's the most realistic way to get him back.

[TDgamer]

What about the fact that Carson couldn't shoot Michael? Obviously there's more to the clone than just duplicated DNA and memories - it is NOT "our Carson". Who knows what other surprises Michael has implanted into Carson.

Do you honestly think that the real Carson would have been able to pull that trigger? Think about this:

Michael is the way he is BECAUSE of Carson. Carson created the retrovirus that worked for a short time, but then failed. It is Carson's fault that he is this Wraith/Human hybrid thing. At least, if I were Carson that is how I would feel. And since when has Carson ever killed ANYBODY at point blank range. Has he ever killed anyone intentionally?

[Nitegate]

Carson has an oath to not take a life, but to save lives as being a doctor. He didn't hesitate to shoot those 2 who were escorting Teyla IN THE BACK of all things. He would never have done that before.

He didn't pull the trigger cause he knew if he killed Michael, he would be dead for sure without getting a cure, where he could have put an end to it, but he can shoot those other 2 in the back.

[TDgamer]

Carson has an oath to not take a life, but to save lives as being a doctor. He didn't hesitate to shoot those 2 who were escorting Teyla IN THE BACK of all things. He would never have done that before.

He didn't pull the trigger cause he knew if he killed Michael, he would be dead for sure without getting a cure, where he could have put an end to it, but he can shoot those other 2 in the back.

Okay, but he was not staring his own creation in the face, trying to determine if he could actually shoot him. Shooting in the back is one thing, but to look someone in the eyes and pull the trigger is quite another.

[Nitegate]

Okay, but he was not staring his own creation in the face, trying to determine if he could actually shoot him. Shooting in the back is one thing, but to look someone in the eyes and pull the trigger is quite another.

i'm not saying on killing Michael, i'm saying even pulling the trigger and killing 2 men without hesitation, he would never have done that before.

[TDgamer]

i'm not saying on killing Michael, i'm saying even pulling the trigger and killing 2 men without hesitation, he would never have done that before.

Yes, but I would imagine that two years in solitude, forced to work on the protein, plus seeing Teyla for the first time, and her being pregnant, a lot changed in that moment.

[Mitchell82]

I don't mind that he's a clone. As was noted in another thread, the Asgard were all clones and they were still accepted (yes I know there's a difference between how they went about the consciousness downloading). The fact that he was cloned doesn't mean that we can pretend that the original Carson is still alive, of course, but it's nice that Michael's science has allowed a part of him to live on. It's something and it's the most realistic way to get him back.

Wow very good outlook on this. I agree 100%.