So... does this mean Elizabeth won't show up in season 4 any more?

[Ltcolshepjumper]

She's a character. No one's saying she can't be lying, or even that's she's not, I'm just saying that I don't see how anyone could consider that not to be at least a hint that she's dead.

I consider it possible evidence of Weir's death. But I also consider BAMSR as possible evidence of Weir's survival.

[jenks]

well, what I would say is that she wasn't a completely reliable source (as far as the truth).

So? How does that change the fact that it was hinted that Weir is dead?

[jenks]

I consider it possible evidence of Weir's death. But I also consider BAMSR as possible evidence of Weir's survival.

Otherwise known as - a hint.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

and?

it hasn't been 100% proven that Weir is alive either. Therefore there is a hint that she is dead (Repli!Keller as one, and possibly the fact that Nanite!Weir accepted that explanation as another).

I never said that it was proven that Weir was alive. It's not a hint. Hints allude to facts. Weir's death is not fact, it's speculation at this point. Had BAMSR not have shown Weir, then yes, I would have considered it to be more than speculation. At this point, we don't know. But I doubt that BAMSR Weir is another clone.

[jenks]

I never said that it was proven that Weir was alive. It's not a hint. Hints allude to facts. Weir's death is not fact, it's speculation at this point. Had BAMSR not have shown Weir, then yes, I would have considered it to be more than speculation. At this point, we don't know. But I doubt that BAMSR Weir is another clone.

Not necessarily.

[Agent_Dark]

It's not a hint. Hints allude to facts.

Well, if you want to use your definition then - exactly. Perhaps the fact is that Weir is dead?

I've never seen a definition of hint that says it has to allude to a fact.

[Suzotchka]

I never said that it was proven that Weir was alive. It's not a hint. Hints allude to facts. Weir's death is not fact, it's speculation at this point. Had BAMSR not have shown Weir, then yes, I would have considered it to be more than speculation. At this point, we don't know. But I doubt that BAMSR Weir is another clone.

Exactly. Weir's death is not a fact.

Weir will be back, in some form, in S5.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

Not necessarily.

Hint- (v.)To indicate or make known in an indirect manner.

You don't make known speculation. Facts are made known. It could merely be a hint that the Weir we knew is effectively "dead". Look at my first post in reference to SW epIV. Same type of situation could occur here.

[Suzotchka]

So? How does that change the fact that it was hinted that Weir is dead?

How does it change the fact that she is alive in BAMSR?

[Agent_Dark]

Exactly. Weir's death is not a fact

...that we know of at this time.

Doesn't mean its not true though.

[jenks]

How does it change the fact that she is alive in BAMSR?

That's not a fact though, is it?

[Suzotchka]

That's not a fact though, is it?

Yup. It is.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

Doesn't mean its not true though.

Doesn't mean it is. I would infer that hints usually refer to information that is 70-80% correct. Not 50% probable.

[Agent_Dark]

How does it change the fact that she is alive in BAMSR?

That is not a fact. We know for a fact that something that resembles and appears to be Weir was in BAMSR. We also know that there is at least one replica of Weir running about (Nanite!Weir from TMC). We also know that the Asurans themselves are quite proficient at replicating someones appearance.

[Suzotchka]

That is not a fact. We know for a fact that something that resembles and appears to be Weir was in BAMSR. We also know that there is at least one replica of Weir running about (Nanite!Weir from TMC). We also know that the Asurans themselves are quite proficient at replicating someones appearance.

FACT. She was seen at the end of BAMSR.