Violence in Atlantis

[PG15]

If I want to see Sex, I watch a Porno. I really don't need any in SGA.

What's with you people and false dichotomies?

[Atlanis]

The violance we see on the show is just a realistic view of milatary life and life it's self and life can been be pretty vilolant I am aposed to the taking of life in any shape or form but when its nessary to defended one self its nessary too, most people around prefear the olive branch but when it's nessary it's time to sharpen the olive branch into a point of a spear

[VSHARMA]

What's with you people and false dichotomies?

You People?

[Mitchell82]

Americans and Sex... I (and most other Europeans) will never understand your problem (WOW, you can see breasts, but not the nipples... so what?)

Well IMO it's unecessary. It's getting more and more out of hand IMO.

[PG15]

You People?

Yes; you and those who indulge in false dichotomies.

Why, what did you think I meant?

[VSHARMA]

Yes; you and those who indulge in false dichotomies.

Why, what did you think I meant?

Think I meant?????

[Mister Oragahn]

I saw ‘Rising Pt1 & Pt2’ a few days ago.

Atlantis is a Sci-Fi show that is for mixed ages. Old and Young.

When I saw ‘Rising’ a few days ago, I noticed that Ford put a Buttet in one of the Wraiths face point blank range. (with blood gusting out)

I understand that as it was a Pilot Episode, the episode had to be quite high budgit, action packed and generally fills us with the SG universe but does anyone else think that this short of violence should be bought to session 4 which I have been told will be allot darker than the previous sessions.

I personally think that viewing rating will not decrease if you put in this ‘darkness’.
Just look at how popular BattleStar is and that is quite a Dark show.

Simply questions.

Bullet in Face O.K – Yes or No.
Bullet in Face with Blood Gusting out – Yes or No

Would you like to see a more darker Atlantis like we saw in ‘Rising’ and ‘The Storm’ more

In SG-1 we never saw a Goa'uld get a bullet in the Head. I like to see this in Atlantis

Mods Feel free to add a Poll.

Though I'm huge fan of the new BSG, the problem doesn't lie in the violence, in order to bring realism and credibility, though Common Ground was an incredible episode.
There are things in war which are expected, after all. You can reference them without showing them.

The thing is, the real problem is that I can easily live without that level of violence in Stargate as a daily basis (though a few episodes shold remind us of the context), but the issue is with credibility, as how the characters are protrayed.

In BSG, you could have a much lighter show, like a spin-off, where humans live well and all, and it would still be good, because it's all about writing good characters... that feel like everyone.

Ok, main characters are kind of heroes, and sometimes have the Main Character Luck (aka character shield), but they have credible flaws and behave like humans.

They don't pretend to be in front of a camera to impress an audience.
And there we go back into that SGA rant, but it's quite an example itself.

I don't think younger audiences have to be treated like brainless twits.

I don't think characters have to painted as ludicrously as they get painted in SGA. The writing is horrible and some characters are just completely unbelievable.

They're just comic books bags of clichés. That sucks, and it's incredible that TPTB still think it was the right choice, for more than two seasons (first season of SGA was quite good, and it was in fact one of the best starting seasons I've seen besides DS9, BSG75 and Farscape).

Later on, these kids will rewatch their show, and they'll realize just how bonkers it was.

See, when I was younger, the animes I was used to watch weren't kidding on the serious stuff. People were dying, plots were written from a more mature point of view.

The problem is that people may think darkness is what brings quality to BSG, but no. Though it's not cheating with what's happening, and for once, it's nice to see humans be smacked for their arrogance, the point is that again and again, good characters is what makes a good show.

It's actually incredible that we heard TPTB say that, and yet they failed at it so many times.

So, to conclude, I don't necessarily need more violence. I would prefer a thousand times episodes of the vein of Poisoning the Well, Scorched Earth, Torment of Tantalus and Childhood's End than Sateda or The Hive with extra gore and sadism.

[jenks]

Makes sense to me...

[nowvoyager908]

I'll have to agree with those posters who feel that more violence does not equal darker. To me, darker means dealing with issues that have moral ambiguity. No clear cut black and white. No tying up all the loose ends nice and neat by the end of the episode. Forcing characters to make the hard choices, even when it goes against everything they believe, and then facing the consequences, good or bad.

The problem with SGA becoming darker is that so much of the show is wrapped up in the McShep snark. You can't have two of your stars doing a comedy routine when the world is on the brink. How the SGA brain trust deals with that, and how the fans react, will be interesting to say the least.

[kymeric]

Point by point

: Stargate did pretty well without the sex.
First episode....... the VERY FIRST EPISODE had unnecessary nudity in it. The we had the virus that made everyone feral and jack and same made out in a locker room. And let us not forget Ernest!! something for the older fans there!

: Star trek went on 40 years with no sex.
And died a horribly death because it was no longer relevant to todays world

: Dr. who, enough said.
Whats that? Some kinda british thing or something :-p

: and I don't watch BSG for the kissing and crawling on each other that the characters do.

I dont watch it because its boring! 1/5 episodes i enjoy, the rest is talking heads and political interpersonal stuff that i could get on cnn

: Atlantis doesn't need the sex

Tell Teylas push up bra and consistantly open shirt in season 3 :-D

: And I hear that there is a genre that is devoted to sex for anyone out there that enjoys such things.

Way ahead of u on that market

: Sci Fi like Stargate really doesn't fit with sex. It has this thing about it that makes you trust it to be friendly enough for anyone to watch. That, and the producers don't like the Idea.

Except that its had sex from its very beginning. Everyone everywhere has sex, even nerds. Its a fact of life and naieve to dismiss it, and its still there in the show no matter how much u cover ure eyes with ure handz

The first time i saw Amanda Tapping on tv was the xfiles where she was BLEEPing the heck out of AD Skinner. Made me a fan.

: And about your last sentence, when it mentions sexual content it really doesn't mean that you'll see the act or the "tools" necessary for the act of sex(breasts included). So looking at ratings like that is unfair.

They never show much more that butts or chests even on cable. Ever see the enterprise where Hoshi got some love on risa? Thats what im looking for from stargate

[jenks]

Point by point

: Stargate did pretty well without the sex.
First episode....... the VERY FIRST EPISODE had unnecessary nudity in it. The we had the virus that made everyone feral and jack and same made out in a locker room. And let us not forget Ernest!! something for the older fans there!

But no sex.

: and I don't watch BSG for the kissing and crawling on each other that the characters do.

I dont watch it because its boring! 1/5 episodes i enjoy, the rest is talking heads and political interpersonal stuff that i could get on cnn

You don't find talking heads interesting? I'd say they're the best thing in any TV or movies, everything else is cheap.

: Atlantis doesn't need the sex

Tell Teylas push up bra and consistantly open shirt in season 3 :-D

Push up bra? I doubt it!

: Sci Fi like Stargate really doesn't fit with sex. It has this thing about it that makes you trust it to be friendly enough for anyone to watch. That, and the producers don't like the Idea.

Except that its had sex from its very beginning. Everyone everywhere has sex, even nerds. Its a fact of life and naieve to dismiss it, and its still there in the show no matter how much u cover ure eyes with ure handz

Acknowledging sex is going on isn't the same as wasting screen time on cheap kicks.

: And about your last sentence, when it mentions sexual content it really doesn't mean that you'll see the act or the "tools" necessary for the act of sex(breasts included). So looking at ratings like that is unfair.

They never show much more that butts or chests even on cable. Ever see the enterprise where Hoshi got some love on risa? Thats what im looking for from stargate

Why? There are better places to get it, RL being the best.

[kymeric]

: You don't find talking heads interesting? I'd say they're the best thing in any TV or movies, everything else is cheap.

Meh, high speed chases and explosions, maybe some cheap sex and some violent alien torture scenes, this is entertainment, not a live discussion of the politics of something not involving the above.

: Push up bra? I doubt it!

Looked like that to me, especially in the return part one, not that im complaining

: Acknowledging sex is going on isn't the same as wasting screen time on cheap kicks.

Everyone that CAN have sex WILL, leaving out the fundamental purpose of life (besides eating and crapping) is just absurd

: Why? There are better places to get it, RL being the best.

Nah, IRL they need constant attention or theyll die. And they talk about stuff i dont care about persistantly. And living with me costs me 3 times as much as living alone. Ill take a dvd i can click off TYVM

[jenks]

: You don't find talking heads interesting? I'd say they're the best thing in any TV or movies, everything else is cheap.

Meh, high speed chases and explosions, maybe some cheap sex and some violent alien torture scenes, this is entertainment, not a live discussion of the politics of something not involving the above.

Different things entertain different people then I suppose, personally I'd rather watch something clever and well thought out as opposed to something that has just had alot of money thrown at it.

Everyone that CAN have sex WILL, leaving out the fundamental purpose of life (besides eating and crapping) is just absurd

Not sure I understand your reasoning, if leaving out eating and crapping is OK then why not sex? I'd say the reason to leave it out is that it takes up time that could be used better.

: Why? There are better places to get it, RL being the best.

Nah, IRL they need constant attention or theyll die. And they talk about stuff i dont care about persistantly. And living with me costs me 3 times as much as living alone. Ill take a dvd i can click off TYVM

You only need to pick up some bird from a club, send her home when you're finished!

[kymeric]

: Different things entertain different people then I suppose, personally I'd rather watch something clever and well thought out as opposed to something that has just had alot of money thrown at it.

Compared to.... saturday morning cartoons? A broadway play? Old Buck Rogers episodes? Documentary on medeval europe? Whats the criteria for well thought out? Atlantis in its violent glory is well thought out, and i think could benefit from more gore and some sex.

: Not sure I understand your reasoning, if leaving out eating and crapping is OK then why not sex? I'd say the reason to leave it out is that it takes up time that could be used better.

Except weve seen the characters eating a few times, and theres even been a few toilet jokes (long trip in jumper) Behold the trifecta!

: You only need to pick up some bird from a club, send her home when you're finished!

Heh, ole love em and leave em!

[Mitchell82]

[QUOTE=kymeric;6526913]Point by point

: Stargate did pretty well without the sex.
First episode....... the VERY FIRST EPISODE had unnecessary nudity in it. The we had the virus that made everyone feral and jack and same made out in a locker room. And let us not forget Ernest!! something for the older fans there!

It wasnt unnecesary. Apophis wanted to see his queen in all her glory so IMO it made sense. Any nudity after that would have been unneceasry.

: Star trek went on 40 years with no sex.
And died a horribly death because it was no longer relevant to todays world

I disagree. Enterprise was not that great of a ST show but I found it silly to state that any show relevant to todays world needs sex/nudity.

: Dr. who, enough said.
Whats that? Some kinda british thing or something :-p

Dr. Who is a british scifi show now airing in the states.

: Atlantis doesn't need the sex

Tell Teylas push up bra and consistantly open shirt in season 3 :-D

Thats not nudity or sex it is just the way alot of women dress. Totally different.

: Sci Fi like Stargate really doesn't fit with sex. It has this thing about it that makes you trust it to be friendly enough for anyone to watch. That, and the producers don't like the Idea.

Except that its had sex from its very beginning. Everyone everywhere has sex, even nerds. Its a fact of life and naieve to dismiss it, and its still there in the show no matter how much u cover ure eyes with ure handz

The first time i saw Amanda Tapping on tv was the xfiles where she was BLEEPing the heck out of AD Skinner. Made me a fan.

Inuendo and letting fans now in a polite way that they are about to do the deed is better than fall out showing it.

: And about your last sentence, when it mentions sexual content it really doesn't mean that you'll see the act or the "tools" necessary for the act of sex(breasts included). So looking at ratings like that is unfair.

They never show much more that butts or chests even on cable. Ever see the enterprise where Hoshi got some love on risa? Thats what im looking for from stargate

I don't think it's necesary. They can show to people kissing and falling on the bed and then panning back. No need to show everything.