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Originally posted by TorriI have lot of captures, can I put the pictures here ?
I liked this episode very much! But does a question remain, Ford is it always in life?
I make a vid about this episode, if you are interresting:
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Hi, Ouroboros!Originally posted by OuroborosThe pace and flow was jarring and disorienting and the episode overall felt like more of a mish-mash of scenes than an actual continuous story.-Door controls that make the door open when you shoot/damage them: Try this with ANY technological device, I dare you.-The Wraith prison bars have gaps big enough for people to fit through, especially Teyla.-What would happen if an SGC member lost their IDC because they were captured or forgot to use it because they were doped up on Wraith enzyme. Could this be a possible point of tension in the sotry perhaps, where the control room has to gamble on trust?.... We'll never know.-Classic junkie withdrawl scenes from the evil drugs. Drugs are bad m'kay and every drug will have a horrible heroin like withdawl period. Yes every drug and yes regardless of what it does or it's chemical make up.-Sheppard gets saved from certain death at the hands of the Wraith queen because she gets a phonecall. It's never explained where she went or what she was doing.
What's not clear, IMO, is whether the queen was expecting another hive to arrive or not. I would guess a general yes, as the two hives seemed to be going to a joint culling, but she wasn't sure precisely when and was pissed that it interrupted her interrogation of Sheppard.-*Insert various scenes of Wraith hissing at people, bending their necks, bugging out their eyes and drooling for no reason here*. When Shep was talking about Wraith and clowns was I the only one thinking "seperated at birth?".
In defense of the Wraith, they did at least think up and try a more subtle method of questioning Sheppard after it appeared he could resist a mind probe. It's not the hive queen's fault that Neera didn't do all that great a job. Nor could she do anything about Sheppard being more suspicious than most about mysterious hot chicks who want to sex him up. Glad to see he learned something from the Chaya incident.-The mysterious hot chick is not just a mysterious hot chick but actually evil!-We learn that there's Wraith worshippers, how novel. We of course never get any explanation of why the Wraith need or want worshippers. I'm sure some fans will be able to make up a good explanation like usual though.
Right. Anyways. All I can think of is that the Wraith keep a few (thousand) humans around to do the housekeeping--you know, helping with the crowd control after a major cull or something--and to send out in special infiltration cases like Sheppard's. Of course, maybe certain queens just find it amusing to toy with the humans this way. I can totally see deviant sexu... Um, never mind, lol.-Later on Shep's about to be eaten again but Ford, who was a twitching junkie wreck the last time we saw him, suddenly storms in, with Ronan's gun no less, and shoots an entire room of armed guards to save him. You know now that I think about it maybe you should of shown us Ford's miraculous unarmed escape from 5 armed Wraith guards while in a state of semi-coma and his re-finding of Ronan's confiscated gun on an entire frigging' hiveship...
As for Ford retrieving the team's weapons, both Ford and Sheppard knew their way around the hive ship. Remember that the two were studying what appeared to be the layout of a hive in "The Lost Boys." Note, also, that while Ford had Ronon's gun, a handgun, a Wraith pistol stunner (which he likely pulled off a Wraith guard somewhere), and vests, he didn't manage to find the P90s or Ronon's badass sword.
I think. I've only watched the episode once, okay?!
Well, anyways, assuming this is right, Ford maybe went to the nearest possible weapons cache and grabbed what he could. He got lucky with Ronon's gun.
Another point to consider is that security on the hives seems to be pretty lax all around so far as we've seen. So long as you don't trip an alarm, you can skulk around without getting into too much trouble, and Ford got himself more enzyme as well. Which undoubtedly helped.-As the episode draws to a close we go outside where we see Shep provoke the Wraith ships into killing each other by shooting a mile long hiveship with a dart's puny gun that barely sets grass of fire.The two hiveships start shooting each other as a result of this heinous attack and then one of them blows up and takes out the other one. Conveinient huh.-Oh but wait there's more. In the roughly 30 seconds between the time Shep provoked them and the time they blew up he was able to fly to safety (never actually shown on screen of course) and "surprise" us later with his miraculous survival.The Wraith chick was hot though.Originally posted by mcalex22- I was trying to decide if I missed something - did Sheppard and his team just return to Atlantis without finding out how Rodney was going or did they already know that the Daedulus had come to rescue them as they escaped the hive ship? Am I thinking too much? It just didn't flow on from the Hive?
SHEPPARD: McKay?!
GOON: Hm? The crazy guy? Left a while ago.
The three find the DHD working and assume McKay dialed to Atlantis. The end.Originally posted by CYBEREAGLE19heres my thing though, how is shep able to fly a dart without the computer to translate everything for him?
Yeah, I was puzzled how Sheppard managed to fly the dart without McKay and Jace's translating computer interface, too. I mean, in order to get the dart to do anything, he had to input commands on the computer touchscreen! I could believe, I suppose, that Sheppard figured out the targeting and firing systems (those seemed pretty self-explanatory, really), even how obstructions around the dart were represented on the HUD, with his pilot background and what he'd seen of the hive ship. I can't remember any visible controls except the weapons joystick though. How, then, did Sheppard work the culling beam? Or even generally direct the dart if the joystick didn't have that function? Was his right hand resting on... something...?
Sheppard is intuitive with Ancient tech, but it seems his equal facility with Wraith tech is going to remain unexplained for now.
edit: tagsLast edited by Yeade; 01 September 2007, 12:32 PM.The fact is I think I am a verb instead of a personal pronoun. A verb is anything that signifies to be, to do, or to suffer. I signify all three.
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Originally posted by YeadeI have to agree with you here. The pacing felt... off. Though I think this has a lot to do with the fact that events happened over the course of several days, at the very least. Without resorting to the Musical Montage(tm), I can't think what else might have been done to show the passage of time besides dropping references here and there. Which was done.
Still enjoyed the ep.
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Well, I mean, I know it's because Sheppard is the Man. Or, more accurately, he's (one of) the Main Character(s). And SGA is Totally Fictional, Generally Illogical and Unrealistic Sci-Fi Fluff (With Occasional "Dark" Moments).
Not that this stops me from breaking my brain trying to make sense of things. It's what I do. Humor me, huh?The fact is I think I am a verb instead of a personal pronoun. A verb is anything that signifies to be, to do, or to suffer. I signify all three.
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Originally posted by Agent_DarkSynopsis for anyone who's interested. Obviously spoilers for the episode, but if you dont want spoilers what the hell are you doing in this thread?
Random thoughts:
It was a good episode, but not as great as I would have liked it. It did move the overall Wraith storyline along.
I would have liked a little more tension on the hive ship. McKay's scenes were very intense and I think the scenes on the hive ship should have matched it. Only the scenes of Sheppard and the Wraith Queen came close. I enjoyed watching Sheppard's interaction with both Ford and the Wraith Queen.
David Hewlett's acting when overdosed with the Wraith enzyme was great. McKay is over the top normally anyway, so it didn't seem overdone. Deciding to take a massive dose of enzyme showed how off McKay's thinking was even with the lowered dosage he was receiving. Poor Rodney is so insecure that not only he felt he needed to take more enzyme just to get up to the level every one else has, but he needed to have so much more.
The only part I didn't get is how soon he seemed to recover from his massive overdose. It seemed really sudden and complete after the major torment he went thru. I wish we had a better idea how much time passes between scenes. But Teyla and Ronan seem not to have suffered as much as Ford's teammate who died from the withdrawal. One wonders what is the difference in McKay's massive overdose of the processed enzyme and Ford's direct dosage from a living Wraith.
Paul McGillion was great also. Having all those accusations thrown at Beckett by McKay had to hurt even though he knew his friend didn't mean it. Paul's quiet expressions during the scenes spoke volumes. That was a nice scene between Beckett and Weir as they watched over a sleeping McKay.
McKay is borderline hypertensive. Who would have guessed?
This note is interesting only to McKay fans, but Rodney used his left hand to inject himself in his right arm. Even though McKay holds his gun as a right handed person, he gestures when he talks mainly with his left hand. And I've seen McKay dial the DHD with his left hand as often as with his right. Maybe McKay/Hewlett is ambidexterous.
I didn't notice this in The Lost Boys but I see Teyla was back wearing her old top with the leather tie instead of the BDUs she wore during Instinct and Aurora. Why would she do this?
Don't the Wraith disarm their prisoners? Maybe they don't get many so they don't know what to look for. It's was kind of a funny joke, but, please, Ronan had that many knives?
Did blowing up the the 2 hive ships also take out the planet's orbiting Stargate (which Sheppard called a Spacegate).
Are we ever going to find out the blond, Canadian, Gate Tech's name?
Hey, we got a fully functioning Wraith Dart to take apart instead that crashed one from Duet.
What was with the 2 seconds with Radek? Except to show that he really didn't want to go on the rescue mission. Radek even made that little nervous hand twitch Rodney does. I think Radek is hanging around Rodney too much.
I found it interesting, but not surprising, that there are Wraith worshippers. It always seems to come back to that theme in Stargate, doesn't it?
It was nice to see that Lorne doesn't seem to hold that first mission he had with McKay against him. Maybe he realizes that McKay was just nervous going out with someone he wasn't familiar with and it just took a while for McKay to get used to Lorne.
Doesn't Sheppard know the address of Ford's hideout? How was he supposed to get back there if he doesn't?
Does a victim normally collapse when being restored from a Wraith beam? Maybe this was brought up in The Lost Boys when everyone was restored from the Wraith beam in the hive ship. In DuetSpoiler:Rodney collapsed both times when he was brought out of the beam. Cadman did too. Or was that because it was a broken Dart?
Guess that's all I can think of now.
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From what I've read so far, this sounds like a pretty sweet episode. For once, I really hate living in the States. Come on January, hurry it up already.sigpic
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Some great stuff, and some terribly weak stuff all in the same episode. I honestly think this one would have worked better as a three parter, as it seems like they made some immense shortcuts in wrapping up some elements.
Some great character stuff, though."There's not a little boy born who wouldn't tear the world apart to save his mummy... and this little boy can." --The Doctor.
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