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**ToasterOnFire** · 22 June 2005, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by Fanwoman

Another reason I have issues with it is that Sheppard pretty much flirts with every new/episodic female that isn't jail bait. First Teyla, then Perna--Rodney wasn't the only one disappointed by her favoring Carson!--, then Sora ("I wasn't hitting on your daughter"), then Chaya. And in The Brotherhood, he seemed almost annoyed that the hot chick was interested in Rodney (a.k.a. Mr. Oblivious). I find it a bit difficult to believe that such a social butterfly would settle for one woman; it would be out of chatacter. I also think it would be odd for TPTB to take a Kirk character and turn him into a one-woman-man. This is perhaps why I'm more of a M/W fan than a S/E fan--McKay has longed for a relationship since day one. Whether or not he's currently capable of keeping one is another matter, but he's no Kirk, that's for sure.

Oh, good call. Rodney seems more the type who is completely committed (maybe too early?) until the women get sick of him. That view may change though, I distinctly remember DH saying in an early season 1 interview that McKay saw the Pegasus galaxy as a potential dating service or something...

Shep seems more the type not to be pinned down by a relationship, so a S/W relationship could be seen as OOC. There is that Hollywood dream about women who manage to convert a staunch ladies man to their one true love, but I really don't want to see that here. Also, it may be too early to tell if Shep is truly flighty. For example, maybe he really did want to be with Chaya but that whole

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got in the way. We'll never know.

Sorry Porthos!

And I have no McKay/Weir fanart finished today. Still playing around with layers and gradients and textures, ack it's so confusing. Dodge? Burn? Wha?

I could have sworn that someone somewhere posted a bunch of LJ icons last week and some were M/W. Am I hallucinating, or did anyone see that too? More importantly, does anyone know where they went?

And I absolutely love wisdomeagle's LJ entry here. Physically incapable! Bwahaha!

Do I smell a M/W website update coming??? *rubs hands together*

**Purpleyin** · 22 June 2005, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by ToasterOnFire

I could have sworn that someone somewhere posted a bunch of LJ icons last week and some were M/W. Am I hallucinating, or did anyone see that too? More importantly, does anyone know where they went?

Do I smell a M/W website update coming??? *rubs hands together*

I searched Atlantis_Icons but didn't see any of those there but I did dig up a deviantart stargate community.
http://stargateatlantisclub.deviantart.com/

Where one of the members had links to 2 M/W wallpapers, sadly those links don't work but the wallpapers are on their photobucket account (and a M/W banner!

) - sadly they're downsized but maybe if you contact them through deviantart they'd send either of them.
http://photobucket.com/albums/v639/nebulan/?start=0

And of course encouragement on the M/W stuff might mean more...
And yes, an update is imminent, as are (DH caps) and another fic but I'm feeling pretty busy with moving house in 8 days and a housewarming party. I really wanted to have gotten more done on the site design by now, everything works around that unfortunately, can't add any stuff until we have somewhere to add it to!

**ToasterOnFire** · 22 June 2005, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by Purpleyin

Sorry to hear aobut you toes. Fanart? Here's a place for some cool Mckay pieces with one M/W piccy.

http://fanart.halessa.net/

OMG! Those are so frakking cool!!! Gorgeous!

Angel Rodney! Matrix SGA team!

...Rodney/Keeper??!!

Oh, and I love the McKay/Weir pic! Elizabeth looks a tad different (older?) though; maybe the jawline and eyebrows are off. Rodney looks...perfect.

How on earth do you contact this person to encourage them to do more??!!

**Purpleyin** · 22 June 2005, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by ToasterOnFire

Oh, and I love the McKay/Weir pic! Elizabeth looks a tad different (older?) though; maybe the jawline and eyebrows are off. Rodney looks...perfect.

How on earth do you contact this person to encourage them to do more??!!

I thought she looked a little off there too but still M/W!

If you follow the link through to the main site it's in German but somewhere there'd be a contact thing I'd presume - there's a blog link on the lefthand menu

**Fanwoman** · 22 June 2005, 09:06 AM

Porthos! I hope you're feeling better soon!

Originally posted by Purpleyin

http://fanart.halessa.net/

Originally posted by Porthos1013

When do you think McKay and Weir first fell for each other? I'm not talking about the little crush/attraction between them, because I think that's always been there, since Rising. I mean when do you think they really fell hard in love with the other?

I never got the chance to answer this, so I hope you all don't mind me draging it back up.

I agree with what most of you said --that they're not, yet--but I have more specific things to say about it all.

As for Elizabeth, she has always come off as a very sincere and serious person, even when being scartastic. I've said before, I completely believe she is/was in love with Simon. For me, these two elements combine in such a way that I find it difficult to believe she would ever consciously consider a relationship with anyone else while still involved with Simon. (If she did, she would lose a fair amount of the integrity that is intrinsic to her character.) I think she didn't start thinking about giving him up until

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Home.

Of course, the episodes immediately following that were The Storm and The Eye, and we know what significant incidents occur during those. It was the first time since Hide and Seek where she, herself, was directly in danger and some of her people died. These aspects of that conflict could have gotten her to think about her situation a little more personally, as opposed to always being the detached leader. As I've said before, who could not be moved by what he did for her in The Eye? That on top of the eye-opening ending of Hide and Seek, and she has reasons to be impressed by him that have nothing to do with a professional relationship.

In Letters from Pegasus

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There is, unfortunately, no time for anyone to really be worried about romance between then and the end of the season, and so the emotional potential remains unfulfilled.

As for Rodney, his reaction to her visit in Home was so blazé that it's a bit difficult for me to believe, based on his reactions to other women he's shown an interest in, that he was consciously thinking of her as a viable romantic partner at that time. This is perhaps due to her position as his boss, perhaps also due to sensing she's involved with someone else already. Or perhaps it's because she's not blond.

Then, in The Eye,

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He seemed almost as surprised by his action as anyone else (well, maybe Kolya wasn't surprised...). I think this might have gotten him to begin looking at his feelings for her in a different light.

Add to that his

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in Letters from Pegasus, and it seems like mutual interest to me.

It's obvious they work well together and trust and respect each other and care for each other, but I don't think either of them see all that as love, yet.

...but I WANT them to!!!

**ToasterOnFire** · 22 June 2005, 11:06 AM

Ooh, great post!

Originally posted by Fanwoman

I never got the chance to answer this, so I hope you all don't mind me draging it back up.

I agree with what most of you said --that they're not, yet--but I have more specific things to say about it all.

As for Elizabeth, she has always come off as a very sincere and serious person, even when being scartastic. I've said before, I completely believe she is/was in love with Simon. For me, these two elements combine in such a way that I find it difficult to believe she would ever consciously consider a relationship with anyone else while still involved with Simon. (If she did, she would lose a fair amount of the integrity that is intrinsic to her character.) I think she didn't start thinking about giving him up until

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Home.

I'm a bit confused by the possible consequences. My brain is not working today.

Can you clarify?

I also see her as seriously committed to Simon, although her taped message to him in Rising may have been an indicator that their relationship ultimately wouldn't last. I also can't picture her seriously contemplating a relationship with Rodney while she was still with Simon. However, it's certainly possible that she would consciously find him attractive, feel concern for him when he was depressed or injured, be jealous if he flirted with someone else, and maybe even contemplate what it was like being in a relationship with him. Such thoughts can be harmless if you're in another relationship as long as they don't become obsessive or drown out the relationship, and I don't see Elizabeth obsessing over Rodney at this point.

Of course, the episodes immediately following that were The Storm and The Eye, and we know what significant incidents occur during those. It was the first time since Hide and Seek where she, herself, was directly in danger and some of her people died. These aspects of that conflict could have gotten her to think about her situation a little more personally, as opposed to always being the detached leader. As I've said before, who could not be moved by what he did for her in The Eye? That on top of the eye-opening ending of Hide and Seek, and she has reasons to be impressed by him that have nothing to do with a professional relationship.

Agreed!

In Letters from Pegasus

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There is, unfortunately, no time for anyone to really be worried about romance between then and the end of the season, and so the emotional potential remains unfulfilled.

Oh, I never thought of that comment as fishing! Good point!
And yes, they had no downtime between LFP and the season ender. Rodney looked like he was getting little to no sleep and I can't imagine Elizabeth was relaxing either. It just doesn't seem likely that she would pursue anything with him because of

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Canon pursue mind you. There have been some nice "we're going to die, so I'm coming to you for comfort and love" fics out there.

As for Rodney, his reaction to her visit in Home was so blazé that it's a bit difficult for me to believe, based on his reactions to other women he's shown an interest in, that he was consciously thinking of her as a viable romantic partner at that time. This is perhaps due to her position as his boss, perhaps also due to sensing she's involved with someone else already. Or perhaps it's because she's not blond.

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Then, in The Eye,

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He seemed almost as surprised by his action as anyone else (well, maybe Kolya wasn't surprised...). I think this might have gotten him to begin looking at his feelings for her in a different light.

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Add to that his

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in Letters from Pegasus, and it seems like mutual interest to me.

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It's obvious they work well together and trust and respect each other and care for each other, but I don't think either of them see all that as love, yet.

...but I WANT them to!!!

You and pretty much everyone else on this thread!!

**Porthos1013** · 22 June 2005, 11:50 AM

Fanwoman, I just want to say how much I LOVE that post! I've actually been considering writing a second part to my fic "Something Precious" because a lot of people seemed to want a happy ending set after LfP, but I was totally stumped on how to go about it. Your post got the bunnies flying!

**Purpleyin** · 22 June 2005, 02:42 PM

I made a little graphic based on the behind the scenes photo that got posted up. It's a bit iffy because it's technically the actors and not the characters but... I'm quoting Toaster's caption for the pic.

Nothing much but something I made just now by playing around.

**Fanwoman** · 22 June 2005, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by ToasterOnFire

I'm a bit confused by the possible consequences. My brain is not working today.

Can you clarify?

I guess I didn't say that very well.

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Originally posted by ToasterOnFire

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This supports my thinking that, even as oblivious as he is, he suspects she has someone back home.

Ulitmately, he could be jealous at the implication that she has strong family bonds while he doesn't...but since we already know McKay has poor family relations, why would they waste time showing us that?

Originally posted by Porthos

Fanwoman, I just want to say how much I LOVE that post! I've actually been considering writing a second part to my fic "Something Precious" because a lot of people seemed to want a happy ending set after LfP, but I was totally stumped on how to go about it. Your post got the bunnies flying!

LOVE the graphic, Hans!

**Cory Holmes** · 22 June 2005, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by ToasterOnFire

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**Porthos1013** · 22 June 2005, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Cory Holmes

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Did he know it was Elizabeth when he answered the door like that? I can't remember...

**aaobuttons** · 22 June 2005, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Cory Holmes

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That sounds like a cool idea for a fic. Maybe how they decided to break things off when they were going to Atlantis, and how they feel about just being friends when they were so much more!

**aaobuttons** · 22 June 2005, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Porthos1013

Did he know it was Elizabeth when he answered the door like that? I can't remember...

He didn't know. He was woken up from a nap by the door and just answered it and saw it was her.

I think that scene shows just how comfortable he is around her. He thinks of her as a friend, a real friend that he can be himself around. No need to look smart or show bravado, just to be himself knowing that she accepts him for who he is.

**Purpleyin** · 23 June 2005, 03:59 AM

Check out this M/W shippers LJ entry - yay for wallpapers (though you have to email her to get it fullsize)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/alexia47/59601.html

**ToasterOnFire** · 23 June 2005, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Purpleyin

Check out this M/W shippers LJ entry - yay for wallpapers (though you have to email her to get it fullsize)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/alexia47/59601.html

And she has a slew of LJ icons with some McKay/Weir here!

Sigh, I love LJ icons. So purdy.

*prods Cory to write that Antarctica fic*
*prods aaobuttons to write that Gift Bday fic*
*prods everyone else to write, period*

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