[QUOTE=vaberella]Welcome fates4jt.....oooh another newbie!! How are..?! Keep in mind I'm a newbie too....just found about this site about 3 weeks ago..
GUYS?!? It's gonna be my one month anniversary in like a couple of days...we have to a have a party.
Now on to the serious part of your discussion...I love conversations like this because it gets me to talk and talk and talk....
For pretty much everything you have said I am in complete agreement. I'm basically shep and teyla. You definitely see their relationship and this odd immediate connection between the two of them. And for her to move from saying that they dont' trade ('Rising') and after he smiles and makes strange comments for her to invite them to a 'stout tea' of her people..that says a lot from what I gather. For a woman who I sense doesn't trust easily, readily opened up her village to him. And then to further take him to the location her people kept secret or that place where they found the necklace...why would she do that? There was no gain for her...maybe some information for him...so that's very interesting to look at.
Thanks for such a warm welcome Vabrella, I really appreciate it . However, I’ve posted here before, but it was so long ago the memory of it is very faint.
I’m so glad that you like discussing Shep/Teyla topics like this because with all of the analyzing that goes on we end up finding the little things with meaning concerning them.
In regard to the lack of shipper moments between these two, I like you, would love to see more of them together but, of course, to a certain degree for now.
While writing that passage I had a feeling that it might send out a message of me wanting them to be together right away. Oh no,no,no,no,no…that’s the last thing I want. This would translate into a quick ending to any romantic relationship that develops from the jump because I know the writers would have no where to go years down the road.
As for Elizabeth, you make a very good point. I’m sure I’m just reading more into what I see; She is a caring person, and she has exhibited that quality to everyone she works with; so, you’re absolutely right ,in that, it’s just not John she treats like this. In fact I remember, in one episode, when she tried to get Ronan to open up by sitting down next to him while she was on a lunch break. So the more I think about it, she does have this motherly like caring quality to her….always worrying about everyone.
Now on to the meat and potatoes of the matter; in the “Letters from Pegasus” that scene hit me like a punch to the stomach; they looked and sounded so much like a married couple, it was magical; but I digress.
It’s obvious that Teyla sees the potential in John, who’s a good man, to be even better; and that’s why she challenges him whenever he takes the one-sided perspective on things. He wanted to leave the people from the village behind because he thought they didn’t have any time left, and in his eyes they no longer had the option to stay and wait, and although he griped about wanting to leave, Teyla with her good conscious and faith, in them making it, kept him from leaving.
As for John’s, “What else do you want from me?” the frustration I heard in his retort was one I interpreted as him wanting nothing more than to meet her needs, but the responsibility on his shoulders to make sure they both came out alive and unharmed weighed more on his mind; and Teyla’s, “too much I fear” response in turn, totally supports my view.
You see other than being the man in charge as a military officer, he’s a big kid inside also…a stubborn one who’s use to getting what he wants, and one that loves to misbehave especially when it comes to those who allow him to. Teyla has observed this, but yet she strongly believes that if she doesn’t enable his behavior by coddling him he will become more of the man she envisions; unfortunately, with the stress of the situation, she lost sight of her views on John; as a result, those words were uttered. But I’m sure she’s rescinded them since then.
Now if part of the explanation for Teyla’s cool demeanor towards John has to do with her traditions then it’s an idea that should be pursued further because it’s an excellent way to get him involved profoundly with another culture; yes he’s been exposed to other; never because he was willingly open in learning or simply being apart of something unique and new.
All of his interactions with various societies have currently been just means to an end; hence, his exposure, so far, has been on a superficial level. So having him eventually smarten up and start pursuing Teyla romantically will take him out of his comfort zone by having him take part in some of the aspects of her world. It’ll have to happen, it’s inevitable because in assessing Teyla being involved with her would mean being apart of her traditions. She’s not going to assimilate completely into John’s culture and I don’t expect him to give up completely on who he his either but in order to give him a little bit more depth I would love to see him one day listening intently to Teyla teaching him certain elements of her heritage.
So far all we’ve seen is his bravado, and that’s totally okay, for now at least, because were learning about who he is, but in the next few years I would definitely like to see more progression with his character; and I know that Teyla is the appropriate avenue to take in this. Because from what I’ve seen so far she definitely has an affect on John, and I believe in some way he is aware of it; and he’s probably a little afraid of it because he’s so use to living with that devil may care attitude. However, here he is now working side by side with this wonderful woman with so much knowledge to share; one who’s not use to nor impressed with the way in how he usually approaches certain issues; a lady whose conviction, purpose and compassion has a tendency to bring out the humbler side in him; with this all in mind, (imo) it’s ultimately the best way to bring them closer together.
GUYS?!? It's gonna be my one month anniversary in like a couple of days...we have to a have a party.
Now on to the serious part of your discussion...I love conversations like this because it gets me to talk and talk and talk....
For pretty much everything you have said I am in complete agreement. I'm basically shep and teyla. You definitely see their relationship and this odd immediate connection between the two of them. And for her to move from saying that they dont' trade ('Rising') and after he smiles and makes strange comments for her to invite them to a 'stout tea' of her people..that says a lot from what I gather. For a woman who I sense doesn't trust easily, readily opened up her village to him. And then to further take him to the location her people kept secret or that place where they found the necklace...why would she do that? There was no gain for her...maybe some information for him...so that's very interesting to look at.
Thanks for such a warm welcome Vabrella, I really appreciate it . However, I’ve posted here before, but it was so long ago the memory of it is very faint.
I’m so glad that you like discussing Shep/Teyla topics like this because with all of the analyzing that goes on we end up finding the little things with meaning concerning them.
In regard to the lack of shipper moments between these two, I like you, would love to see more of them together but, of course, to a certain degree for now.
While writing that passage I had a feeling that it might send out a message of me wanting them to be together right away. Oh no,no,no,no,no…that’s the last thing I want. This would translate into a quick ending to any romantic relationship that develops from the jump because I know the writers would have no where to go years down the road.
As for Elizabeth, you make a very good point. I’m sure I’m just reading more into what I see; She is a caring person, and she has exhibited that quality to everyone she works with; so, you’re absolutely right ,in that, it’s just not John she treats like this. In fact I remember, in one episode, when she tried to get Ronan to open up by sitting down next to him while she was on a lunch break. So the more I think about it, she does have this motherly like caring quality to her….always worrying about everyone.
Now on to the meat and potatoes of the matter; in the “Letters from Pegasus” that scene hit me like a punch to the stomach; they looked and sounded so much like a married couple, it was magical; but I digress.
It’s obvious that Teyla sees the potential in John, who’s a good man, to be even better; and that’s why she challenges him whenever he takes the one-sided perspective on things. He wanted to leave the people from the village behind because he thought they didn’t have any time left, and in his eyes they no longer had the option to stay and wait, and although he griped about wanting to leave, Teyla with her good conscious and faith, in them making it, kept him from leaving.
As for John’s, “What else do you want from me?” the frustration I heard in his retort was one I interpreted as him wanting nothing more than to meet her needs, but the responsibility on his shoulders to make sure they both came out alive and unharmed weighed more on his mind; and Teyla’s, “too much I fear” response in turn, totally supports my view.
You see other than being the man in charge as a military officer, he’s a big kid inside also…a stubborn one who’s use to getting what he wants, and one that loves to misbehave especially when it comes to those who allow him to. Teyla has observed this, but yet she strongly believes that if she doesn’t enable his behavior by coddling him he will become more of the man she envisions; unfortunately, with the stress of the situation, she lost sight of her views on John; as a result, those words were uttered. But I’m sure she’s rescinded them since then.
Now if part of the explanation for Teyla’s cool demeanor towards John has to do with her traditions then it’s an idea that should be pursued further because it’s an excellent way to get him involved profoundly with another culture; yes he’s been exposed to other; never because he was willingly open in learning or simply being apart of something unique and new.
All of his interactions with various societies have currently been just means to an end; hence, his exposure, so far, has been on a superficial level. So having him eventually smarten up and start pursuing Teyla romantically will take him out of his comfort zone by having him take part in some of the aspects of her world. It’ll have to happen, it’s inevitable because in assessing Teyla being involved with her would mean being apart of her traditions. She’s not going to assimilate completely into John’s culture and I don’t expect him to give up completely on who he his either but in order to give him a little bit more depth I would love to see him one day listening intently to Teyla teaching him certain elements of her heritage.
So far all we’ve seen is his bravado, and that’s totally okay, for now at least, because were learning about who he is, but in the next few years I would definitely like to see more progression with his character; and I know that Teyla is the appropriate avenue to take in this. Because from what I’ve seen so far she definitely has an affect on John, and I believe in some way he is aware of it; and he’s probably a little afraid of it because he’s so use to living with that devil may care attitude. However, here he is now working side by side with this wonderful woman with so much knowledge to share; one who’s not use to nor impressed with the way in how he usually approaches certain issues; a lady whose conviction, purpose and compassion has a tendency to bring out the humbler side in him; with this all in mind, (imo) it’s ultimately the best way to bring them closer together.
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