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**Bama** · 12 September 2005, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by prion

I don't think he's xenophobic (it's with an 'x'); I think he's just creeped out by running into a naked little gray alien.I mean face it, if Hermoid walked into the room right now while you were reading this, you wouldn't exactly think it was normal

I didn't really see any 'shippiness' in this episode per se.... I saw a deep friendhip between Elizabeth and Sheppard, but nothing, as fans define it, shippy. As for Teyla, the kiss is possibly his inhibitions being loosened by the retrovirus, but the kiss was hardly romantic. I think Teyla cares for Sheppard, but if it's romantic, I'm not honestly sure.

Ahhhh...deep friendship. ; ) You're tellin me you can't *taste* the potential between shep and weir for the whole kit and caboodle at some point far, far, down the road? I have to get my knife out to cut thru it, it's so thick and juicy at times.

Agree with you on the little 'grey' alien thing.

-B

**FoolishPleasure** · 12 September 2005, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by mgbland

Well Tayla is young, strong, sexy, especially in her exercise outfit. She probably doesn't realize the effect that has on men. Sheppard is a normal guy, he's attracted. Elizabeth is more his intellectual equal. She also is from the same planet and culture, the same country. Also a strike against Tayla/Sheppard is the fact he's a little zenophobic, remember his reaction to Hermiad.

It is "Teyla", not "Tayla", btw.

**Bama** · 12 September 2005, 07:54 AM

sigh...

Sometimes I really get flashbacks to the 'files' with this one...some of the same arguments...same points too...but a different relationship that is so very exciting.

Random Bama thought #8,997....

Red and I have been talkin about that 'married' vibe we are already gettin from Shep and Weir and trust me, it's there. We weren't born yesterday! LOL. My shippy sensor went off on the entire scene in her office where John crashed his hand thru the window in frustration. His line about "You always use protocol as an excuse" was entirely 'married' sounding. He thought because it was *him* asking that she would roll and it made him mad as hell when she didn't. Strong, strong emotion.

Guys, the

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Get it? Such a 'married' feel to it.

In the

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And there are other vivid instances of this besides those two eps. They're evolving into an old married couple already. All cozy and reliant and trusting and intimate but without the sex.

Now, if we can just get them to sit down and watch some steamy movie together or something, we'll be all set.

And I'm only half kidding.

-B

**mgbland** · 12 September 2005, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Rubicon

One persons "sexy" is another persons "irritating".

Her battle!skirts are stupid. And she should get some shirts that actually fit. Her Wonder bras seems to fit perfectly. Costuming is not one of the Stargate series strong points. It can actually be quite horrific.

I wonder if Sheppard would have been as tempted to kiss Teyla if she'd been wearing sweats. Teyla's sparring partner, more a student, wasn't wearing the wonder girl garb.

**FoolishPleasure** · 12 September 2005, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by mgbland

I wonder if Sheppard would have been as tempted to kiss Teyla if she'd been wearing sweats. Teyla's sparring partner, more a student, wasn't wearing the wonder girl garb.

I think more people would enjoy Teyla and take her a bit more seriously if she wasn't dressed like a teeny-bopper all the time.

**Southern Red** · 12 September 2005, 08:31 AM

And once again Bama hits the nail on the head. I just watched the end of Conversion again

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Everyone should listen to Joe's commentary for The Rising, very revealing on how he plays Sheppard, and the interaction with Martin Wood reveals interesting info about just how much leeway Joe gets. A lot.

Now, I'll be leaving soon and what I want to see when I get back is a picture of our couple involving straddling, crotch touching, and lip licking. And the gold goes to John Sheppard. 10.0 baby doll 10.0

**Southern Red** · 12 September 2005, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by mgbland

I have to learn to highlight the spoilers. Well Tayla is young, strong, sexy, especially in her exercise outfit. She probably doesn't realize the effect that has on men. Sheppard is a normal guy, he's attracted. Elizabeth is more his intellectual equal. She also is from the same planet and culture, the same country. Also a strike against Tayla/Sheppard is the fact he's a little zenophobic, remember his reaction to Hermiad. Also, his reaction to the ascended on Proculus. His eyes really lit up when he was around her, but he also freaked out a little about being involved with a woman from another planet then later another species.

Thanks for clearing that up. I agree. I had forgotten (on purpose

) his reaction to Chia pet, er Chyla. He may just have enough of that alienism heh in him to apply it to Teyla. We must remember that the original intent for the Sheppard character was the "fish out of water" scenario, so they are intentionally playing him as the "normal" one a little leery of the alien side of the mission. Lots about this in the commentary for Rising.

**Rubicon** · 12 September 2005, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Southern Red

what I want to see when I get back is a picture of our couple involving straddling, crotch touching, and lip licking.

uh... I'll get right on that. :: porny!smilie ::

See below for some lip licking to tide you over.

**Major_Moomin** · 12 September 2005, 08:49 AM

Hey Guys

FINALLY managed to catch up on all the posts since friday, and boy, it took me bloody ages!!!

Great spoilers on Conversion, had to admit I was a little nervous about it (even though I won't see it for ages) but it's good to know that all the angsty shep/liz moments totally outweighed the

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...bleh!! *spits to the floor*

Welcome to any newbies!!!

You know, there has totally gotta be a smutty fic for

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tripple dare ya?!?!

-Moo

**Bama** · 12 September 2005, 09:26 AM

OMG! LOL! Would somebody *please* take her up on this one! I almost spewed reading it! Shep has shown *many* instances of attraction for Teyla?! LOL! Oh yeah. Sure....

http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php...0&fpart=5&vc=1

**Rubicon** · 12 September 2005, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Bama

OMG! LOL! Would somebody *please* take her up on this one! I almost spewed reading it! Shep has shown *many* instances of attraction for Teyla?! LOL! Oh yeah. Sure....

http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php...0&fpart=5&vc=1

Link seems brokenish. But also I cannot abide that whole forum. Way too much text messege talk. U no wht I meen? And stupid posts. Aak! I think I lost a couple of IQ points just clicking on your link.

Also, too much talk about the ships, firepower, CGI and paradoxs-in-time-travel! ick.

I my world, sci-fi has always been about the characters.

Uh topic... J/E 4eva!

**mgbland** · 12 September 2005, 09:40 AM

But in "Intruder" Sheppard told Weir he didn't want to leave any parts behind. Somehow, I don't think he was talking about two arms and two legs.

Something awfully strange to say to one of the guys.

**florence** · 12 September 2005, 09:55 AM

I just want to add my opinion about Conversion (great posts in this thread btw

)
I hadn't read any spoiler about this ep before having the opportunity to watch it and make my own opinion about it. Well, I had seen a little about

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because it was really difficult to avoid these kind of spoilers these last few days...
Anyway, I didn't know anything else before watching the episode. I have to say I really loved it (I think it's probably my 2nd favorite episode this season just behind The Siege III)

I wasn't expecting to see

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and I was really surprised, and surprised in a good way !

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About Shep/Teyla kiss : well, for me it wasn't a kiss. I mean, it was forced, Shep wasn't himself at that moment and Teyla didn't really look like she was enjoying it, to say the least... And Teyla's sigh of relief in the last scene says everything IMO : she doesn't see Sheppard that way. Bye bye Shep/Teyla ship ! (which I had never seen anyway...)
I think I've read somewhere that some people were comparing Shep/Teyla kiss in Conversion to Sam/Jack kiss in Broca Divide. Yeah, it's very similar... except the end. In Broca Divide, when Sam wants to apologize in the end, Jack acts like he doesn't remember, then he makes a joke about it and leaves a puzzled then amused Sam.
In Conversion, when Shep comes to apologize, Teyla acts like it was really nothing then leaves him, with a sigh of relief.
Different reactions, different feelings as well...

Now, the Shep/Weir scenes... Wow !
Elizabeth's concern then her fear about Shep's condition...
her never being afraid to go into his room, even when the soldiers were telling her not to...
the fact that she was the only one not afraid to do so...
when Shep asks her to kill him if they don't find a solution because it would be the best thing to do for both of them... Not 'for everyone' or 'for Atlantis' safety' or even 'for me'... no, 'for both of us'. That sounds pretty clear to me !
And come on, everyone knows it on Atlantis ! Even Caldwell, the newbie !

The only thing missing in this episode was an infirmary scene in the end with Sheppard and Weir. Or some scene like the one they did with Sheppard and Teyla. Cause I'm sure he went to apologize to Elizabeth as well, they can't have let things like that between them. I've already read one or two fics about that scene, but I'm sure there will be plenty in the next days !

I really loved this episode, not only because of the Shep/Weir scenes, but also because of a lot of other things : every character had its own place and role (and everyone was well portrayed), there was angst and action, the great JF acting of course, and did I mention angst ?

Wow ! I think I've never written so many things in this thread !

PS : I don't remember who wanted to know how to do the spoiler tags...
It's very easy. Just type [spoiler ] what you want to be unseen [/ spoiler] without the blank spaces.
I wouldn't like to sound too strict (especially since I don't post very often in this thread, even if I read every post) but it would be nice if everyone was remembering to put spoiler tags in their posts when we're talking about S2 episodes. Also, when posting caps, put a spoiler warning or even better, put those caps in between url tags instead of img tags. Thanks for those of us who try to stay spoiler free !

**SoulSpinder** · 12 September 2005, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Major_Moomin

You know, there has totally gotta be a smutty fic for

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tripple dare ya?!?!

-Moo

I'll tell ya, if I could write smut to any degree of wellness, I would SO take you up on that. It's completely a challange I'd love to take. Unfortunatly I completely suck at such stories. Maybe I can nab a friend to do it/ have her and I collab/her push me to do it. But I give NO promises!

All this talk is making me want to see that ep again >.> Which stinks. T3 connection makes everything go super duper fast my bum! *points to an 8% completion for a good 10 hours*

All this talk of lip-licking is making ME do it. I found myself doing such a thing the other day.

And, wowsers guys, I leave to go to a couple classes, and this thread takes root and shoots!

Very nice posts to come back on and read by the by.

**SGLAB** · 12 September 2005, 10:00 AM

I just found this little story. It's a missing scenes story for Conversion.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2576002/1/

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