Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Trialia]

Welcome Major Zoidberg!

Fic rec you say? Well...

Angel Leviathan has created a LJ community for her fics in the Lust and Fame AU. It contains Lust and Fame, all the individual fics, and up to date Shadow and Light Play.

You mean Light and Shadow Play, don't you? *hugs*

I must be nuts, I just offered to stay up for another five hours to do an emergency beta. *facepalm*

[Major Zoidberg]

Oh, I love you already!


Another fabulous AU is west_gate. It's a SGA/WW crossover (tho you don't have to have seen West Wing to understand or enjoy it).

I have a load of fics recs up here to keep you busy too

As well as Better than Sedatives and Stolen Moments.

I should really get round to updating that list

i see flatery will get me everywhere

Thanks for the linkage...i read a westwing/SG crossover written by er *try's to remember* Melyannna (hopes he dosn't sound like an idiot) but i read it for the sparky...sadly westwing has been added to a very long list of shows i have yet to get into

that should keep me busy anyway

[xfkirsten]

Welcome Major Zoidberg!

Fic rec you say? Well...

Angel Leviathan has created a LJ community for her fics in the Lust and Fame AU. It contains Lust and Fame, all the individual fics, and up to date Shadow and Light Play.

Eeeeee! Thanks for the heads up! I LOVE that series. In fact, "Light and Shadow Play" got me curious about Wicked... got the CD, saw a video of the show, and I'm TOTALLY in love with it now!

[SallyLizzie]

Thanks for the linkage...i read a westwing/SG crossover written by er *try's to remember* Melyannna (hopes he dosn't sound like an idiot) but i read it for the sparky...sadly westwing has been added to a very long list of shows i have yet to get into

Yep, it would have been Melyanna. The west_gate link i gave you is her community, where The Pacific Rim, the individual fics, and Revelation are up.

Eeeeee! Thanks for the heads up! I LOVE that series. In fact, "Light and Shadow Play" got me curious about Wicked... got the CD, saw a video of the show, and I'm TOTALLY in love with it now!

Wicked!!!! Well, wizengamot got me into it, I got Angel_Leviathan into it (and then made her write fic ) and now she's got you into it. Yay for converting people!

And erm, Sparky rules, so it does. *nods*

[xfkirsten]

Wicked!!!! Well, wizengamot got me into it, I got Angel_Leviathan into it (and then made her write fic ) and now she's got you into it. Yay for converting people!

Heee! I'm loving reading that fic, 'cause now I can totally picture Lizzie as Elphaba, and it rocks my world.

/just got back from a car trip, singing to "What Is This Feeling" the whole way

[Major Zoidberg]

Yep, it would have been Melyanna. The west_gate link i gave you is her community, where The Pacific Rim, the individual fics, and Revelation are up.

And erm, Sparky rules, so it does. *nods*

Thanks for the links pacific rim was an awesome fic i'm a sucker for that kinda story *headesk* woah someone as crazy as i am up at this hour

an to keep it leagal an avoid newbie bashing...sparky rules

[Ruined_puzzle]

There was another preview for SGA this time actual footage of the episode they were filming. I think from the footage is from Sateda so nothing about Shep/Weir was shown.

[Lady Lethe]

[QUOTE=Ronnikins]That's the impression I got too. I know some viewed this scene as "shippy" but I took it more as friendship canon since

Spoiler:

she just had a painful breakup with Simon. She wouldn't jump back into any relationship so soon after that.

The thing about Intruder is that

Spoiler:

it kind of felt like a smack upside the head to me. I was a brand spanking new Sparky shipper at the time, but that little scene in the beginning? It killed me! It seemed blatantly obvious to me that these two people were very close friends, but the sparks were flying everywhere! There was definite flirting and teasing on both sides, but the thing is, I'm not sure either of them were necessarily aware of it. Remember that catalyst I talked about? I can't see Elizabeth getting over Simon that quickly, but she was definitely flirting. I have had a couple of friends who flirted with everyone, but when I confronted them about it they were in complete shock. Everyone else could see that they were extremely flirtatious, but they themselves couldn't see it. There's probably an argument in there about whether or not flirting is actually flirting when the person doing it is unaware, but there's generally a basic understanding among most people of what flirting looks like; and let me tell you, John and Liz were doing so.

Wow, that was a bit longer than I'd intended, but sometimes I have a hard time projecting what I mean.

[SallyLizzie]

Heee! I'm loving reading that fic, 'cause now I can totally picture Lizzie as Elphaba, and it rocks my world.

/just got back from a car trip, singing to "What Is This Feeling" the whole way

That's kind of how it started. I said I wanted to see Lizzie as Elphie, and wouldn't it be funny for John to see her Elphabafied She said she'd wanted to write SGA/Wicked fic but wasn't sure she could make it work; I poked encouraged her greatly and she TaDa!! L&SP was born

You have to buy the book too! *shoos Kirsten to the bookstore*

And to make up for my Wicked tangent, I'm recing finnstardust's Desert Rose. Another AU which I'm really enjoying.

[Angela]

Ok so as there was a discussion earlier about when and how they want the Sheppard and Weir relationship resolved or for some unresolved I thought I would post this article which a fan posted at the X-Files forum (yes I still love Mulder and Scully and praying for a second movie ) where they got it yesterday on the net, MSN webpage, its called....

"Do It, Already!" TV couples that take forever to hook up. By Kate Aurthur

(Oh I might add it does not mention Stargate but I think some of the points are interesting on TV couples i.e.Weir and Sheppard on hooking up in general and their consequences ) here it is:

"It was bound to happen sometime." That's what Donna said to Josh on a recent episode of The West Wing when they finally-finally-kissed, after nearly seven years of flirty banter. In that episode, Josh and Donna enjoyed a slapdash, almost unintentional, smooch, inspired by the happy news that the presidential candidate they work for was polling well. Then, in Sunday's episode, when it became apparent that everyone else in the campaign had paired up around them, Josh and Donna had sex. Twice.

Donna was right, of course-it was inevitable that the two of them would eventually consummate their relationship. The spacey-but-shrewd, willowy blonde played by Janel Moloney has always been sweet on her boss, Josh, the gifted, sarcastic White House strategist played by Bradley Whitford, despite the fact that his hair is terrible even by D.C. standards. And though Josh has at times been dismissive of Donna's professional ambitions, and even of Donna herself, it has often seemed that he loves her, too-especially when he sat distraught by her hospital bedside after she was nearly killed in Gaza in the Season 5 finale.

Because this is prime time, however, it was also inevitable that the courtship would take ages. Television hates nothing more than a happy couple. Elaborate mating rituals and thwarted love seem to make better viewing than the comfortable routines of life à deux. Still, seven years? Is it possible that Josh and Donna have set some kind of record?

Movies and books have it easy when it comes to romance-whatever push-and-pull they peddle can tie up near the end, leaving the viewer or reader to imagine what happens next. But on television, writers who deposit a couple in each others' arms for the season finale must then write their way through the morning after-and the second date, and the 15th-come September. As a result, they go to great lengths to keep promising couples apart. The obvious strategy: extremely protracted wooing. On the 1980s detective show Remington Steele, for example, the workmanlike, anti-fun Laura spent four seasons infuriated by Steele's flash and charm before she finally succumbed to it. And even Josh and Donna have occasionally been outdone. On Frasier, for example, the effete Niles pined after Daphne for a full seven years. During most of that time, his efforts to pursue her were so pathetic that she didn't even notice; it was Frasier who finally blabbed.

In other cases, a pair gets together, only to break up and then make up again with the regularity of an oscillating fan. See: Sam and Diane from Cheers, Big and Carrie from Sex and the City, and, perhaps most notably, Ross and Rachel from Friends. That couple got together in the show's second season, only to hit the skids the following year, calling it quits after Ross had a one-night stand when he thought they were "on a break!" They got married while drunk in the fifth season, and even had a baby together in the eighth, but it wasn't until the series finale-naturally-that they finally overcame their years of ups and downs.

Sometimes it takes a cockamamie plot device to keep a lovelorn couple apart. On Alias, for example, as soon as double agent Sydney fell into bed with her CIA handler Vaughn, kidnappers abducted her and faked her death. And in the 1998 X-Files movie, Mulder and Scully's long-anticipated initial hookup was thwarted when Scully was-of all things-stung by a bee. Anaphylactic shock is a mood-killer, to be sure. In the seasons of the television show that followed, the couple shared a few measly kisses. Wherever they are now, I hope they're compensating for their chastity. (In the world of fan fiction, they certainly are.)

When did these stunted relationships become so prevalent? Did the trend begin with M*A*S*H, which featured derisive repartee between Hawkeye and Hot Lips? Did the respectful but playful dynamic between Mrs. Peel and John Steed of The Avengers pave the way for Mulder and Scully? Cheers was one of the first comedy programs to make sexual tension its central premise. Sam and Diane's love-hate relationship drove the show during its Shelley Long years, and made a serial out of a sitcom. The couple's power struggle had more in common with Dallas than it did with Happy Days, All in the Family, or any other successful sitcom that came before it-Friends would not have existed if Cheers hadn't.

Today, as slow-motion courtships proliferate onscreen-see the Kate-Jack-Sawyer triangle on Lost, Jim and Pam on The Office, Grissom and Sara on CSI-it's important to remember that we're living in the Moonlighting era. Almost 20 years after the Bruce Willis-Cybill Shepherd detective series ended, it is Moonlighting's post-coital flameout that keeps the Joshes and Donnas of the world fully clothed. The show had been on for less than two years when US Magazine-not a weekly yet, if you can remember such a world-screamed "Do It, Already!" in a February 1987 cover story. A month later, David and Maddie obliged, before an astonishingly large audience of 60 million viewers. (The Friends series finale drew 52.5 million.) From there, Moonlighting seemed almost cursed. Shepherd's pregnancy absented Maddie from the story for months the following season, and then a 1988 writers' strike caused all television production to shut down. When Moonlighting came back after a nine-month absence, it had a terrible 13-episode fifth season, crawled into the forest, and died.

Since then, we've all grown used to the couples we love waiting a lot longer than two years to get it on. The problem seems to be that writers and actors are unable to reliably generate and sustain palpable sexual buzz between two characters who are actually having sex-which may be a depressing comment about life in general. After all, what do you replace that fun flirtatious energy with? Discussions about what to order from Fresh Direct?
What to do? Most viewers still want the couple to end up together; we just don't want to watch them be together. You can see why the writers might resort to a temporary breakup-one that endures for about as long as the Gilmore Girls runs and then gets resolved by the series finale. If they do, I'll play along. The marriage plot remains a tried-and-true narrative thread, and in Victorian novels it never bothers me when a seemingly unworkable relationship is miraculously, happily tied up in the final pages. If these lengthy hindrances and postponements are simply the television equivalent, then I'm willing to believe Donna, Rachel, Carrie and every other Jane Eyre-inspired sister when she finally tells me-right at the end-"Reader, I married him ."

Ok so I just thought I would post this as a point really interested me which was..

"Since then, we've all grown used to the couples we love waiting a lot longer than two years to get it on. The problem seems to be that writers and actors are unable to reliably generate and sustain palpable sexual buzz between two characters who are actually having sex-which may be a depressing comment about life in general. After all, what do you replace that fun flirtatious energy with? Discussions about what to order from Fresh Direct?
What to do? Most viewers still want the couple to end up together; we just don't want to watch them be together"

Um so I wonder if all our favourites couples do get together do we really lose interest, if Sheppard and Weir do get together they can still flirt and I think their relationship will still be exciting I just hope TPTB don't drag and drag it out until we lose interest

What you guys think?

Oh and sorry for the very long post!

[Trialia]

That's kind of how it started. I said I wanted to see Lizzie as Elphie, and wouldn't it be funny for John to see her Elphabafied She said she'd wanted to write SGA/Wicked fic but wasn't sure she could make it work; I poked encouraged her greatly and she TaDa!! L&SP was born

You have to buy the book too! *shoos Kirsten to the bookstore*

And to make up for my Wicked tangent, I'm recing finnstardust's Desert Rose. Another AU which I'm really enjoying.

Good lord you people.

None of you converted me to it! My friend in Atlanta did that a while back. *starts to sing Defying Gravity*

[Major Zoidberg]

"Since then, we've all grown used to the couples we love waiting a lot longer than two years to get it on. The problem seems to be that writers and actors are unable to reliably generate and sustain palpable sexual buzz between two characters who are actually having sex-which may be a depressing comment about life in general. After all, what do you replace that fun flirtatious energy with? Discussions about what to order from Fresh Direct?
What to do? Most viewers still want the couple to end up together; we just don't want to watch them be together"

What you guys think?

Oh and sorry for the very long post!

Er i might not know what the hell i'm talking about but this hole thing about ship resolution something i've seen getting said on here is if you want ship watch soaps LOL but relationships on soaps never lost long

could it be we ship on sci-fi cos our [insert ship here] becuase we know they might last more than a few months....so how much do you want [insert ship here] to be together, my guess would be more than you want them not to be together....

am i making any sense at all is this even a valid argument....i don't know this whole ship debate thing is new to me

[gwenhwyfar]

That's kind of how it started. I said I wanted to see Lizzie as Elphie, and wouldn't it be funny for John to see her Elphabafied She said she'd wanted to write SGA/Wicked fic but wasn't sure she could make it work; I poked encouraged her greatly and she TaDa!! L&SP was born

You have to buy the book too! *shoos Kirsten to the bookstore*

And to make up for my Wicked tangent, I'm recing finnstardust's Desert Rose. Another AU which I'm really enjoying.

My Mother read Wicked and loved it. She tried to get me to read it but i found it boring...

And you really need to update your list Sally! More great fic recs are needed in this between season break!

[xfkirsten]

That's kind of how it started. I said I wanted to see Lizzie as Elphie, and wouldn't it be funny for John to see her Elphabafied She said she'd wanted to write SGA/Wicked fic but wasn't sure she could make it work; I poked encouraged her greatly and she TaDa!! L&SP was born

You have to buy the book too! *shoos Kirsten to the bookstore*

And to make up for my Wicked tangent, I'm recing finnstardust's Desert Rose. Another AU which I'm really enjoying.

Well it works perfectly! You do a good job of poking encouraing! Was actually listening to the CD the other night while Atlantis was on TV... "As Long As You're Mine" went along well with the Liz/John scenes.

Book will be coming soon from Amazon.com! Wooooo!

*humbly apologizes for going off-topic... but can't help it*

Spoiler:

Just for this moment
As long as you're mine
Come be how you want to
And see how bright we shine...

[Angela]

Er i might not know what the hell i'm talking about but this hole thing about ship resolution something i've seen getting said on here is if you want ship watch soaps LOL but relationships on soaps never lost long

could it be we ship on sci-fi cos our [insert ship here] becuase we know they might last more than a few months....so how much do you want [insert ship here] to be together, my guess would be more than you want them not to be together....

am i making any sense at all is this even a valid argument....i don't know this whole ship debate thing is new to me

Um yeah kinda following ye um well yeah I would agree that sci fi ship would last longer and I think it is presented as a more meaningful relationship compared to a soap opera. I think because sci fi deals with life threatening situations it brings the characters much closer together Thats why I get obessed with these sci fi pairings i.e. Mulder and Scully, Sam and Jack and of course WEIR AND SHEPPARD

Yeah am kinda new to this whole ship debate thing aswell so I don't know if am making much sense either lol

Sparky rules woooo