How would YOU have approached Season 6?

[garhkal]

I think the wraith lack a Battleship type, something bigger than a Cruiser and more powerful. The hive never struck me as a ship designed for battle, and the Cruiser clearly can't cope anymore with modern battles. An Aurora-sized warship featuring more powerful reactors could do. Like, what happens if you strip a hive of it's empty space, triple the space for the reactors and have it designed to fight.

Agreed. The hives seem more akin to carriers than battle ships..

[McAvoy]

Which is why they are called Hive ships.

The other thing is that they seem to incredibly undermanned for something so huge. That is the problem with Sci Fi shows is that they do not really comprehend how big their ships are. Put it in perspective, if a Hive had the same density as a Nimitz class carrier, it would have a crew 30,000 times that. 150 million Wraiths.

Its a fairly common thing with fan designs too.

[garhkal]

Which is why they are called Hive ships.

The other thing is that they seem to incredibly undermanned for something so huge. That is the problem with Sci Fi shows is that they do not really comprehend how big their ships are. Put it in perspective, if a Hive had the same density as a Nimitz class carrier, it would have a crew 30,000 times that. 150 million Wraiths.

Its a fairly common thing with fan designs too.

You DO realize how cramped living quarters are on a Nimitz (or any other carrier), right.. Hives are NO where near as cramped, so while maybe they should have 4-5 times what a Nimitz has for people, 30 thousand times is imo WAY off base.

[Super Hive]

I do agree that the Hives seem incredibly under-manned, but I mostly chalk that up to the budget. I suppose they could just reuse the same Wraith stunt guys over and over again, but that might be too time consuming due to filming. I just suspend my disbelief.

I'd love to see the Coalition of Planets get a bit of a tech boost, maybe thanks to the Travellers? It's not that much of a stretch to think that they could trade technology for supplies, or even for housing their ever-growing population on a CoP world? Enough for them to advance past where they were but not so much to the point they can openly challenge the Wraith. I'd love to see what a Genii craft might look like, perhaps a corvette-type ship to combat darts that try to cull planets? It would make a cool battle scene at least =P

Honestly, any excuse to see new ship designs. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing the Pegasus Asgard being able to scrape together enough resources to build a battleship. I just love the ships so much.

[McAvoy]

You DO realize how cramped living quarters are on a Nimitz (or any other carrier), right.. Hives are NO where near as cramped, so while maybe they should have 4-5 times what a Nimitz has for people, 30 thousand times is imo WAY off base.

I served in the Navy for eight years. I was an AME for two squadrons while I have been on the JFK, Enterprise, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, George Washington and the George Bush. Believe me when I tell you that I know how cramped a aircraft carrier is.

You missed the point anyway.

[garhkal]

I served in the Navy for eight years. I was an AME for two squadrons while I have been on the JFK, Enterprise, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, George Washington and the George Bush. Believe me when I tell you that I know how cramped a aircraft carrier is.

You missed the point anyway.

I was a communications Electronics tech, did 20 years myself..
Let's go to PM to compare duty stations, to see if there was any overlap..

[thekillman]

I don't like the idea of a larger version of the 304. Having multiples of them is already past the point of credibility of maintaining the Stargate Program secret in addition of Earth even building them in the first place.

Considering that the 304's are doing fine, i would expect the SGC to be building them for some 30 years or so. It's extremely unlikely that we'd see a new design anytime soon, especially since 304's are designed to be versatile workhorses and are already every lesson learned from the 303 integrated into one package, which was the main reason the 304 exists at all. With no "better" tech than the current Asgard tech in sight anytime soon, it's unlikely that we'd need a straight upgrade.

Which is why they are called Hive ships.

The other thing is that they seem to incredibly undermanned for something so huge. That is the problem with Sci Fi shows is that they do not really comprehend how big their ships are. Put it in perspective, if a Hive had the same density as a Nimitz class carrier, it would have a crew 30,000 times that. 150 million Wraiths.

Its a fairly common thing with fan designs too.

Judging from glimpses of blueprints we saw, it's because the vast majority of a hiveship is dedicated to non-manned stuff. There are truly massive sections of craft dedicated to stasis pods, enough to hold the entirety of the crew. There are giant hangars that are mostly empty space. The entire inner hole is a massive segment of empty space. And because of dimensional scaling laws, it's structure would be much much thicker comparatively to a Nimitz.

It's still on the low end, i don't argue that. But it's not an efficient design in any way, including how Wraith are bunked up.

I'd love to see the Coalition of Planets get a bit of a tech boost

According to Repliweir there are still many advanced races we haven't seen yet.

[StargateMillennium]

I wanna see more ship variety. I mean, the Navy has several different classes of ships due to costs and roles being filled. The 304's are carriers. How about battlecruisers? How about frigates? How about destroyers or cruisers? And they really should create a puddle-jumper style dropship in case their transporters go kaput.

[McAvoy]

I wanna see more ship variety. I mean, the Navy has several different classes of ships due to costs and roles being filled. The 304's are carriers. How about battlecruisers? How about frigates? How about destroyers or cruisers? And they really should create a puddle-jumper style dropship in case their transporters go kaput.

That was my point. You can build for example two frigate/destroyer analogues instead of one 304 for example. If you have more ships, then you can cover alot of space for defense or exploration.

[thekillman]

I wanna see more ship variety. I mean, the Navy has several different classes of ships due to costs and roles being filled. The 304's are carriers. How about battlecruisers? How about frigates? How about destroyers or cruisers? And they really should create a puddle-jumper style dropship in case their transporters go kaput.

The 304's are called Battlecruisers.

Destroyers? there are no subs in space. There's no "shore defense". There's no horizon advantage for carriers. Spaceships simply won't have a lot of different classes.

[Super Hive]

Now that you mention it, having differing classes of ships that are built for specific purposes does sound way more interesting than just having a bigger version of a BC-304, which are already multi-purpose ships. Instead, you could have things like:

A Destroyer class ship that sacrifices hangar bays for more power generation directed to the Asgard beam weapons for maximum firepower (similar to the Ori motherships).

A tactical bomber with the primary function of beaming warheads either onto or nearby ships for precision strikes.

A lightly-gunned cruiser mainly designed for unbeatable mobility and speedy sublight engines.

A shielding ship, lacking firepower save for railguns with immense power generation to act as a massive shield generator, shielding other ships in close proximity.

A ship with half a dozen fighter bays, using unmanned drones to replace manned F-302s, to swarm the battlefield in the style of the Wraith darts.

Now I've made myself sad knowing that this will never happen XD

Given that Atlantis was returned to Earth and everything was fine with no Wraith or Goa'uld threat looming over them, what do you think that Earth's next endeavour would be? I liked the idea of them trying to create their own defence satellite programme, imitating the one used by the Ancients, but obviously not as advanced.

If we had ventured out into the galaxy/galaxies more, I imagine that the government would just want ships with as much fire power as possible.

[StargateMillennium]

Even without shores, subs, or horizons, there are other roles.

Destroyers are small ships designed to escort bigger ones. There's no weight issue in space but there's still inertia and the bigger the ship, the harder it probably is to change directions or get it to change speeds.

A lot of frigates served as anti-aircraft. Why not build a ship that can fill the same roll?

[StargateMillennium]

Which is why they are called Hive ships.

The other thing is that they seem to incredibly undermanned for something so huge. That is the problem with Sci Fi shows is that they do not really comprehend how big their ships are. Put it in perspective, if a Hive had the same density as a Nimitz class carrier, it would have a crew 30,000 times that. 150 million Wraiths.

Its a fairly common thing with fan designs too.

Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of carriers get referred to as 'bomb magnets'? 'Cause the guys I know that serve on them have called carriers that. They say since carriers are big, powerful, and expensive, everyone wants to take them out. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason hive ships seem so empty. They're big enough to tank enemy fire and have enough wraith to do damage, but in the event the hive is destroyed, its loss won't be as massive.

[garhkal]

The 304's are called Battlecruisers.

Destroyers? there are no subs in space. There's no "shore defense". There's no horizon advantage for carriers. Spaceships simply won't have a lot of different classes.

If our 304s are comparable to wraith hives, i think he was on about destroyers being comparable to wraith cruisers.. outward defense.

[thekillman]

Even without shores, subs, or horizons, there are other roles.

For the SGC as-is, it's simply not practical to build multiple classes of ships. The 304 performs very well, and all the infrastructure is already in place. The Stargate Program is already far beyond what normally could be kept secret. Maybe 20 years into the future, in a disclosed environment. But as a theoretical season 6 it's just not attainable.

As a fan, i'd love to see such things. But from a pragmatic point of view, it's not gonna happen.

I could go 20 rounds over roles in space, and if anyone wants that we can make a thread, but Stargate already plays fast and loose with physics and such discussions would probably require a lot of that.