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**RowenaR** · 07 August 2009, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Ikaros View Post

I hope you all got my point...

Seeing as Rodney destroyed a solar system... I certainly wouldn't give him any wood.

And more on topic: I've been lurking for a while and uh... yes, focussing on McKay did destroy Atlantis for me, because like many others here, I missed seeing development in Sheppard, Ronon and Teyla and I don't see any of the appeal of McKeller. Maybe I would, if it would have been written properly but it simply wasn't. Others have pointed out why that was the case so I won't go on repeating it.

I also felt absolutely insulted by the suggestion to read fanfic if I didn't like what was happening on screen (and I'm saying this as someone who has written tons of SGA stories and has over 50% of her SGA Fanfic100 claim written and posted), for the same reason Aragon101 named. It's not a good thing that a lot of SGA fanfiction is way better than what happened on screen, most of all in Season 5, darnit.

**fumblesmcstupid** · 07 August 2009, 03:31 PM

I always thought fanfic was used to right things that *you* as a viewer felt was wrong.

I.E.

Fred getting killed in the D.H
Catherine getting Killed in Beauty and the Beast
Ignoring Seven of Nine
Hooking up people *YOU want together
and so forth.

It is the job of the writers to develop a character and a plot line to it's fullest and not say as a cop out "Oh it happened OFF SCREEN" that IS a huge insult to a fandom to say that *WE* don't get to watch the stuff happen! *grumble* That is the whole POINT of watching a TV show! to WATCH it!!

I enjoy watching 99% of the characters on Atlantis (minus Keller) and It should be fair for ALL the characters (minus Keller) to be developed...*grumble* fine her too. To not just be a cardboard cut out! and the writers were not all that keen on giving any other character *ANY* kind of depth! Hell Lorne never got a first name, Chuck never got a last name.

Atlantis is an ensemble show, but by the 5th season it was the McKay...Keller love fest thanks to Martin Gero and Joe Mollozie!

Fanific should be just that FAN not, *OMG I can do so much better that the writers*

I have read fanfic that puts the SGA writers to shame, done by teenage girls.

Keller and the obsession with her character was the downfall for SGA, not just Rodney and the horrible attempt at a *shudder* romantic pair done by Gero and Mollazie for only their enjoyment. It sure as hell it wasn't done for mine!

**prion** · 07 August 2009, 03:33 PM

Hard to vote... the thing is that Gero, et al loved to write for McKay, and often, it was at the expense of the other characters. I love McKay, but the McKay-Keller stuff was a certain writer living vicariously through McKay... *cough*

By the time the series ended, i think I knew everything about McKay except hsi social security number (or whatever they have in Canada) whereas it took til the series nearly ended to get any info on Sheppard. Sigh...

Whereas I love SGA, there are aspects I didn't like at all - mostly how the writers were far too complacent in scripting, and indulging in the McKeller stuff. If the actors hadn't been so enjoyable to watch, I might have bailed.

**Falcon Horus** · 07 August 2009, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by slurredspeech View Post

I don't think pure numbers can sum it all up, but that's beside the point.

Hence why I mentioned that one can do with them what they like, as long as one respects the craziness that accomplished it.

Originally posted by bluealien View Post

...but having the same amount of screentime doesnt equate to development and decent writing...

Exactly.

Quantity doesn't equate quality.

**Falcon Horus** · 07 August 2009, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Linda06 View Post

Well if she posts the word count you'll see the difference, just how much more dialogue McKay got compared to everyone else.

I did... but let me give you a quick behind-the-scenes on words (in case you didn't want to waste precious downloadbytes on the zip-file):

Spoiler:

**Guest** · 07 August 2009, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post

I did... but let me give you a quick behind-the-scenes on words (in case you didn't want to waste precious downloadbytes on the zip-file):

Spoiler:

I'd say that's the end all argument, but i know it's not going to end there.

**Falcon Horus** · 07 August 2009, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Aragon101/Loneranger-1 View Post

I'd say that's the end all argument, but i know it's not going to end there.

It will never end...

**fumblesmcstupid** · 07 August 2009, 04:49 PM

Well for the question about the focus on Rodney..I'd say yes. Nail in the coffin.

As for Keller ......McKay that debate will never end! For me it did ruin Atlantis.

Not wanting to watch the yuckyness had me NOT wanting to watch certain episodes!

**x Varda x** · 07 August 2009, 05:27 PM

Whoa, Rodney sure talks a lot

Blah blah blah

I suppose that means that we can now answer the question like this

Do you like McKay and/or McKeller? If you do, the answer's NO << just me

Do you dislike McKay and/or McKeller? If so, the answer's YES << seemingly every one else in this whole thread (most of the other McKay/McKeller lovers are too scared to post/come here because of the negativity)

You can drop the fanfic thing now too... I get it. Okay?

**Everlovin** · 07 August 2009, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post

I did... but let me give you a quick behind-the-scenes on words (in case you didn't want to waste precious downloadbytes on the zip-file):

Spoiler:

One minor nitpick, dearheart, and you're going to hate me, but you started the stats for Jason/Ronon after his opening ep of Runner. You started with his second ep, Duet.

**Pandora's_Box** · 07 August 2009, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by prion View Post

Hard to vote... the thing is that Gero, et al loved to write for McKay, and often, it was at the expense of the other characters. I love McKay, but the McKay-Keller stuff was a certain writer living vicariously through McKay... *cough*

Oh, how I hate this mentality. Seriously. Is this what you tell every writer who writes romance?

Or does this only apply when you don't like the story?

**fumblesmcstupid** · 07 August 2009, 05:42 PM

just add 10 lines to Jason's word count and you'll be fine.

People are *NOT* negative here, just honest. And if the supporters of Rodney and Keller don't show up, well we can't help that now can we?

**Pandora's_Box** · 07 August 2009, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by x Varda x View Post

Do you dislike McKay and/or McKeller? If so, the answer's YES << seemingly every one else in this whole thread (most of the other McKay/McKeller lovers are too scared to post/come here because of the negativity)

No, hun. Most people just realise that this isn't so much a discussion anymore.

**Guest** · 07 August 2009, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Pandora's_Box View Post

No, hun. Most people just realise that this isn't so much a discussion anymore.

My personal issue is that i'm frustrated that my favorite characters were set aside in favor of McKay.

That does NOT mean i don't like McKay. Hell i can understand Gero's love affair with writing for him since it's awesome.

That's just it. a show with one awesome character doesn't attract me as much as a show with 4 above average characters. That doesn't mean i don't like McKay.

**Pandora's_Box** · 07 August 2009, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Aragon101/Loneranger-1 View Post

My personal issue is that i'm frustrated that my favorite characters were set aside in favor of McKay.

That does NOT mean i don't like McKay. Hell i can understand Gero's love affair with writing for him since it's awesome.

That's just it. a show with one awesome character doesn't attract me as much as a show with 4 above average characters. That doesn't mean i don't like McKay.

And that's completely valid. I would even agree to an extent.

But I personally don't come to this thread anymore ('cause I did in the beginning) because there isn't much room for discussion. Those who think the McKay/Keller destroyed season 5 of Atlantis do so pretty unequivocally and that's not conducive to a discussion. At least not one where both sides of the argument are heard.

Just my opinion.

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