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well,
i am not an american, but trying to force the network to start thinking like a science fiction network again (what it was at the start - not network xyz that has a small budget unlike the really big ones but tries to play in their sandbox and using their toys anyway, instead of - like they should be - trying to find a niche in witch to position itself and make good money while still putting out quality TV for people who remember who showed them good TV, which gains loyalty and makes sure that the network stays were is (even if reality TV is suddenly not trendy anymore....real story TV will always sell, reality TV is sure to take a fall sometime in the future IMHO because you can only feed people **** for so long (it's like with cheap food with poison in it - you may eat it for a time, before it affects you, but later you will probably never be able to stomache it again!)) is a good goal (methods might need discussion/work but still!)
still i like the idea of say opening a donation page (and a "science fiction and fantasy foundation") in order to finance future shows much better (have said something along those lines in other threads, too)
greetings LAX
ps: yes, your rating system is at least 20 years out of date! (should build in a transmitter into each TV that sends out the same information....or something (needs to be made sure that this information is not abused of course))Last edited by Laxian of Earth; 26 May 2011, 10:13 AM.
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Originally posted by Ekras View PostLook at politics- most bills that are written are impractical at best- the idea being that through negotiations, a more reasonable bill will emerge.
For any sort of negotiation to work, what you propose would need to be beneficial in some way to Syfy as a business. At the moment in the unlikely event they gave into your list of demands I don't think it would take very for them to become bankrupt.
I also still think think that the most likely outcome of a boycott would be to damage the ratings of other genre related shows on their network & lead to them being cancelled as well (which is the opposite of what you want). I can only see sci-fi fans taking part in a boycott and they are no longer Syfy's largest audience.
As a sci-fi fan I would do what I can to try and make you stop as the only realistic outcome I can see will make things worse for the genre.Last edited by Tanith0709; 26 May 2011, 01:46 PM.
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hm...
don't be so hard on him (or better: if you have got another "solution" (even if it is just patchwork) then tell us and do not take offense to people actually trying something (mindlessly accepting what this channel is doing (throwing out the loyal core audience that were like regulars in a bar (watch the simpsons episode moe does that!) and replacing it with the same idiots that watch the other networks and their reality bull**** and their talk-shows and stuff (wrestling etc. (including stuff like boxing) is for nutters (you do not need to have much of a brain to watch that))) is just WRONG!)
so i declare it open season for a solution to this problem (not only on sci-fi (still not using the foul new name - would have to rinse my mouth with soap afterwards) but everywhere!) of there not being much good - space ship (and other) - science fiction out there!
greetings LAX
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As sad as it sounds the reality crap is what the majority want to watch. Syfy are just catering to the larger audience as that is where the profit is. They frankly now need that line of programming in order to survive as a business.
The best I can see is try and work out the best advertising and scheduling solutions for their science fiction programming. Either that or change the viewing habits of the vast majority of the American population.
note: US sci-fi shows aren't performing well across all networks (Fringe being one of the few lucky ones).Last edited by Tanith0709; 26 May 2011, 03:50 PM.
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Originally posted by Laxian of Earth View Posthm...
don't be so hard on him (or better: if you have got another "solution" (even if it is just patchwork) then tell us and do not take offense to people actually trying something (mindlessly accepting what this channel is doing (throwing out the loyal core audience that were like regulars in a bar (watch the simpsons episode moe does that!) and replacing it with the same idiots that watch the other networks and their reality bull**** and their talk-shows and stuff (wrestling etc. (including stuff like boxing) is for nutters (you do not need to have much of a brain to watch that))) is just WRONG!)
I don't know how much you know about how US TV companies work but we don't pay directly to them so they aren't beholden to us no matter how much we love a show. (yes you pay the cable company for those channels, but that's a general payment for transmitting the service for all the channels and only a very small part goes to SyFy).
We don't pay anything to SyFy should why should they listen to us as opposed to those paying the bills (advertisers, investors, shareholders),
So your choices/solutions are
1) spend some of your money and become a shareholder/investor
2) If you are lucky enough to be a Nielsen viewer then stop watching, the rest of us they could care less about.
3) buy advertising time on shows you like to support them
4) write to the advertisers stating (and showing with a receipt) that you bought products on the shows you like and support.
5) find and/or produce shows at a budget the same as the show currently on SyFy (good luck with that )
Most of these are virtually impossible for the average viewer, so sadly whether you want to accept it or not - we do have to just take what the mass Nielsen viewers choose. We don't have a choice.sigpic
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Originally posted by Tanith0709 View PostAs sad as it sounds the reality crap is what the majority want to watch. Syfy are just catering to the larger audience as that is where the profit is. They frankly now need that line of programming in order to survive as a business.
The best I can see is try and work out the best advertising and scheduling solutions for their science fiction programming. Either that or change the viewing habits of the vast majority of the American population.
note: US sci-fi shows aren't performing well across all networks (Fringe being one of the few lucky ones).
as for "they need those shows to survive" - NO!
they didn't need them when sci-fi was starting up, so why now (the intelligent people watching TV haven't died out, have they?)?
greetings LAX
ps: yes, a single person might not be able to gather so much money to make his or her own TV-Show, but a larg group of viewers can, so i still think my "foundation" would be a good idea (even more for you americans - hell don't all your major people have some sort of charity/foundation of their own?...so why not do a science fiction fundraiser?)
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Your leverage? Money. Make them see a decline in their profits. Your demands? Something realistic that's reasonable to expect depending on the degree of leverage you can obtain. That is how you take on a corporation and win. If you want them to listen never mind the flash of a website or 1 million hate emails a day, let them observe as their audience shrinks. Make that audience shrink by spreading your cause. Demand a better product.Todd: Fish in a pond, busy busy, lots to do, here and there. Dry as a desert outside, no place to go. Eat up, get stronger, think and hope, think and hope. Don't look now! Oh, keep dreaming. There must be some other reason for your existence. Defiance tastes like life itself. No river. No water. Die in the desert. Dirt is all around. The harvest moon is rising. Wraith are never-ending. I know the future. Come inside. I'll show you your Destiny... John Sheppard.
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Originally posted by Laxian of Earth View Postthey didn't need them when sci-fi was starting up, so why now (the intelligent people watching TV haven't died out, have they?)
Using your example, yes most educated people I know personally don't watch reality television either but to be frank there are a lot more less educated people watching television than educated (Those who watch reality television, I'm not calling you stupid lol). Just look at the numbers Dancing with the Stars and American Idol pull in.
It's the same here in the UK with shows like Britain's Got Talent & The X-Factor. They're just insanely popular and because of that popularity it's where the most profit is (which is why the Syfy network and others are cashing in on it).Last edited by Tanith0709; 27 May 2011, 05:10 PM.
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....still, i can't understand why a channel like sci-fi, that was not doing badly with its shows (hell SG-1 did pull good ratings when it was cancelled, as did SGA and SGU IMHO) would jump on the reality band-waggon (i personally would rather go bankrupt if it meant avoiding that!) even more, as they had a good niche filled with their shows and now they have to "fight" with bigger fish (which they did not have to before, they could fill the slots were they were competing with bigger stations with re-runs of some of their shows and put new stuff out the rest of the week!)....
sorry, i just can't comprehend that (does sitting in the "big" chair make you a greedy, stupid moron that has sold his or her brain for money?)
greets LAX
ps: power really seems to make one stupid (and greedy for more
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They want to make the biggest profit. When you get right down to it television networks are a business and they will do the things that make them the most money.
It also seems to be the norm with networks that the shows with the highest ratings (which makes them the most money) are also the most popular shows on their network, so to them its a win, win situation.
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Originally posted by Laxian of Earth View Post....still, i can't understand why a channel like sci-fi, that was not doing badly with its shows (hell SG-1 did pull good ratings when it was cancelled, as did SGA and SGU IMHO)
Originally posted by Laxian of Earth View Postwould jump on the reality band-waggon (i personally would rather go bankrupt if it meant avoiding that!)
Originally posted by Laxian of Earth View Postsorry, i just can't comprehend that (does sitting in the "big" chair make you a greedy, stupid moron that has sold his or her brain for money?)
greets LAX
ps: power really seems to make one stupid (and greedy for moresigpic
To see the complete animated picture timeline of the comet landing - http://xkcd1446.org/#7
From the wonderful XKCD site http://xkcd.com/1446/
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