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Originally posted by Skydiver View PostLet's try to not be crude please
Originally posted by Oranos View PostI'll laugh when they get indoctrinated again and turn on you.
I'll stick with an army that hasn't proven to have weak willpower.
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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostUh oh, could spell trouble with any discussion over Jack (or Kelly, she seems to like, really like everyone on the ship). Anyway we will try and keep the smut down
I had some good scale-itch comments ready to work with.
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Originally posted by Oranos View PostDamnit. Does this mean I can't make jokes about what these two probably did with that blasted Varren?
I had some good scale-itch comments ready to work with.
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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostYuh that might fall outside the pg limits of the forum As Mordin said "Implications are unpleasant"
And now the moment you've all been waiting for!
http://masseffect.bioware.com/info/cerberus/
You can green me when you're done drooling.
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Originally posted by Oranos View PostAnd Mordin knows best.
And now the moment you've all been waiting for!
http://masseffect.bioware.com/info/cerberus/
You can green me when you're done drooling.
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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostFormum won't let me green you at the moment. Have some mental green .
Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostHammerhead looks sweet, hope it handles better than the Mako though.
Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostOn other note was anyone a little disappointed with Zaeed? Yes his mission was cool, but he wasn't as well developed as the other characters and as a result stuck out like a sore thumb.
How bad was it?
I'm actually not sure who I disliked more. Zaeed or Jack.
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Originally posted by guppy338 View Posti think saving the rachni queen will pay off with a army to fight the reapers
(and I stand by my comments, here and on BW's boards: I'd like to trade in Tali and/or Grunt for either Kal "Animal Mother" Reegar or Admiral Morrigan )
Oh, and I want a bigger ship w/ a bar w/ the asari matriarch from Illium as bartender.
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to...ndex/1273320/1
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Originally posted by Oranos View PostI never really liked him, never really talked to him, and never brought him with me. No, no. Scratch that. Damn loyalty mission.
How bad was it?
I'm actually not sure who I disliked more. Zaeed or Jack.
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I liked Zaeed from what little of him I've seen, but I was quite disappointed. I wish he had dialogue options...
Any of you regularly brought along Miranda for the sole purpose of trying to see what the Cerberus PoV would be? I usually had her and Tali as my 'regular' group (kinda wish there could be a 4th member...would've brought Mordin more often, then)
As for Jack: I don't recall using her...(I did all the loyalty missions in my 1st playthrough tho', but that was kinda it) Yeah, her character was quite abrasive, but I don't think that was the reason I didn't use her. *shrugs*
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From the other thread--carrying the conversation over to here.
Originally posted by Giantevilhead1. There's a difference between unexplored and uninhabited. I said that the Terminus system was unexplored not uninhabited. Notice how I made the comparison between the Terminus system and the Delphic Expanse. The Delphic Expanse wasn't uninhabited either. In fact, it was heavily populated by a ton of different races, however it was largely unexplored by Starfleet, just like how Terminus was largely unexplored by the Alliance.
Originally posted by GiantevilheadFor someone who claims to know a lot about ME, you sure are getting a lot of facts wrong. The Alliance fleet isn't even close to the power of Turians. The Turians were simply overconfident during the first contact war. They thought that they had defeated most of the human forces when they bombarded the Shanxi colony. They didn't know about earth so they were surprised when the Second Fleet came to liberate Shanxi. If the Council hadn't stepped in to end the conflict the Turians would have wiped the humans out. Even during the events of the games, humans still had the weakest fleet. The Alliance only has 8 dreadnoughts while the Salarians have 16, the Asari have 20, and the Turians have the most with 39.
In fact, as of "Ascension," the Alliance Fleet is the most powerful.
Originally posted by GiantevilheadHow were the Geth not mysterious? Their appearance in ME1 was the first time they came out of the Perseus Veil in 300 years. As for Saren, he's a freakin' Spectre! Spectres are the Special Tactics and Reconnaissance branch of the Citadel. Saying that Spectres aren't mysterious is like saying that Delta Force or the CIA aren't mysterious.
As for Saren, all his records may be classified, but only as a Spectre. And he's very well known. How he operates on the job, why he thinks the way he does. Saren’s the best and everyone knows it. Just because you’re special forces doesn’t make you an unknown quantity. Seriously, when a Spectre goes in, everyone knows. It’s why the Council makes use of the Salarian STG. It’s a far less pretentious deployment.
Originally posted by GiantevilheadDid you not notice that I was making a comparison with Star Trek? The Vulcans sort of helped Archer too but it was up to the Enterprise and Starfleet to do most of the heavy lifting in dealing with the major threats. It's the same thing with the Council, they kind of help but it was Shepard and the Alliance that had to make the greatest sacrifices.
Furthermore, based on the assistance of the 3rd Infiltration Regiment, it's logical to conclude that Council is utilizing other resources to follow up other leads. They just don't turn up any relevant information to help you.
Originally posted by GiantevilheadI may have been mistaken about that. However, it is ridiculous that the Council would be willing to dismiss the Reaper threat since the Asari can mind meld.
Originally posted by GiantevilheadLet's look at all the bad things Cerberus did in the first game,
Akuze - Thresher Maw attack
Sigma 23 - overrun by Rachni
Listening Post Theta - overrun by Rachni
Chasca - colony turned into husks
Admiral Kahoku - died of "natural causes" after trying to investigate Cerberus
These are just the ones that I remember. They get summarily dismissed or minimized in the second game. All you get is an e-mail from Toombs and some flimsy excuse from Miranda about how Cerberus never intended for bad things to happen when they studied the Rachni and Thorian creepers.
You can press the Illusive Man on the subject too, as I recall (in addition to the instances you mentioned). And he insists that it’s the work of rogue cells. Whether that’s true or not is debatable. But of course he’s going to want to gloss over it. He wants—no, needs—Shepard to work with him. And if he has to lie or avoid the topic to do so, he will. That's why Cerberus is "playing nice" and has given Shepard a crew of non-extremists. To get Shepard to help. Pissing him off isn't exactly the way to do that.
And not all of those actions are evil. Cerberus completely botched the Rachni expirements from the start, presuming that they weren't intelligent. They escaped and wrecked havoc. You can't just look at Cerberus and say it's bad. Some of what they do is actually pretty admirable. At other times, they appear to be completely incompetent. And other times, they do some pretty bad things (sometimes for the right reasons, sometimes not).
Originally posted by GiantevilheadMy point was that even though there are so few named sentient races in ME, only a three of them have really been thoroughly explored. At least with Star Trek, they have an excuse for not exploring most of their races since there are hundreds of them.
Also, Keepers aren't sentient.
And the Keepers are debatable. There’s some interesting speculation on them in the second game (and for the life of me, I can't remember where I heard it).
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Originally posted by gotthammer View PostAny of you regularly brought along Miranda for the sole purpose of trying to see what the Cerberus PoV would be? I usually had her and Tali as my 'regular' group (kinda wish there could be a 4th member...would've brought Mordin more often, then)
Pretty much the same with Garrus. He's probably the second most useful character.
Originally posted by gotthammerAs for Jack: I don't recall using her...(I did all the loyalty missions in my 1st playthrough tho', but that was kinda it) Yeah, her character was quite abrasive, but I don't think that was the reason I didn't use her. *shrugs*
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Originally posted by Oranos View PostFrom the other thread--carrying the conversation over to here.
Explain to me exactly. Because I'm really not following you right now (though this may be overload from my midterms). How is Terminus unexplored? It's well mapped--something that requires exploration.
Considering Shepard is part of the Council—as a Spectre—saying they don’t provide assistance is illogical at best. Spectres operate under Council command, not Alliance command. It's why you can tell Hackett and Mikhailovich to stuff it. And why would a Spectre get a ton of help in the first place? They're the guys that deal with the major threats (and they've always done it on their own). And when one of their own goes rogue, only a Spectre is up to the challenge of bringing that individual down.
Furthermore, based on the assistance of the 3rd Infiltration Regiment, it's logical to conclude that Council is utilizing other resources to follow up other leads. They just don't turn up any relevant information to help you.
The point I was making is that ME is very similar to Star Trek Enterprise.
When I said that the Terminus Sector/Delphic Expanse was unexplored, I didn't mean it literally. Both places were explored but not by humans. Shepard may have had a map of the Sector but he had little idea about what he would find there, all he knew that it was a dangerous place full of pirates and mercs. It's the same thing with Enterprise and the Delphic Expanse, the Klingons and Vulcans had mapped the region. However, all the Enterprise really knew about the Expanse was that it was full of dangerous anomalies.
It's the same thing when I said that the Council/Vulcans didn't help the hero. Both of them helped. The Vulcans gave humans tech and information, they even sent ships to help occasionally. However, the help they offered was relatively minor in regards to the plot. It's the same thing with the Council, they helped with the Salarian infiltration team and they put blockades around mass relays but their efforts did very little to stop Sovereign.
As of the first game, the Alliance Fleet is considered to rival the Turian's own. Not necessarily in numbers--you're right, the Turians have a distinct advantage in dreadnoughts--but that doesn't change facts. You seem to think dreadnoughts are the defining factor, which is a ridiculous notion. There's other factors that play into having a powerful fleet.
In fact, as of "Ascension," the Alliance Fleet is the most powerful.
Geth? Go talk to the nearest Quarian. They can tell you just about everything you want to know about them. Their history, how they work. Did you miss all the conversations with Tali'Zorah?
As for Saren, all his records may be classified, but only as a Spectre. And he's very well known. How he operates on the job, why he thinks the way he does. Saren’s the best and everyone knows it. Just because you’re special forces doesn’t make you an unknown quantity. Seriously, when a Spectre goes in, everyone knows. It’s why the Council makes use of the Salarian STG. It’s a far less pretentious deployment.
It's politics. The Reapers haven't invaded for two years. It's only natural that it'd be swept under the rug. If you think it's stupid, I direct you to the American political system.
I had addressed a similar complaint earlier. I'd just assumed you had read it. But I'm willing to cover a few of the basics again.
You can press the Illusive Man on the subject too, as I recall (in addition to the instances you mentioned). And he insists that it’s the work of rogue cells. Whether that’s true or not is debatable. But of course he’s going to want to gloss over it. He wants—no, needs—Shepard to work with him. And if he has to lie or avoid the topic to do so, he will. That's why Cerberus is "playing nice" and has given Shepard a crew of non-extremists. To get Shepard to help. Pissing him off isn't exactly the way to do that.
Sure, you have a few people distrusting Cerberus but given the fact that the Alliance and the Council considers it a terrorist organization, people should be trying to arrest you, not making idle threats.
And not all of those actions are evil. Cerberus completely botched the Rachni expirements from the start, presuming that they weren't intelligent. They escaped and wrecked havoc. You can't just look at Cerberus and say it's bad. Some of what they do is actually pretty admirable. At other times, they appear to be completely incompetent. And other times, they do some pretty bad things (sometimes for the right reasons, sometimes not).
Three? Hardly. The Turians, Asari, Salarians, Krogan, Quarians, and humans have been explored in depth. We know a good deal about the Geth as well.
As for the Asari, they're supposed to be the mystical race that we don't know much about like Yoda's race or the Changelings, so the fact that we aren't given much information about them isn't a big deal.
And the Keepers are debatable. There’s some interesting speculation on them in the second game (and for the life of me, I can't remember where I heard it).
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