THE FLASH - SEASON TWO VERSUS ZOOM EPISODE NUMBER - 218 Convinced he has acquired enough speed to beat Zoom, Barry looks to open a breach -- making a way for his enemy to come through and once again wreak havoc on the people he loves. Harry reveals Hunter Zoloman's frightening history on Earth-2. VISIT THE EPISODE GUIDE >> |
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
Versus Zoom (218)
Collapse
X
-
Versus Zoom (218)
Last edited by GateWorld; 23 April 2016, 08:52 PM. -
I really liked this episode all except for Barry still giving up his speed after Zoom had handed over Wally first. At that point Barry had a huge advantage and still gave up his speed.
Still don't know who's in the mask I'm thinking Hunters dad. Maybe the actual Jay Gerrick.
Also not sure why Barry tried to reason with Hunter he should have been put in a cell immediately.Last edited by Jeffer; 20 April 2016, 12:13 PM.Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe togethersigpic
-
I don't understand the explanation for the second Jay. Why doesn't murdering his past self erase himself from existence?
I thought it was pretty weird how they just showed the explanation for the Supergirl crossover, but then ignored it entirely.
Harry: There is no way to another Earth!
Flash: Yep, and I sure didn't just come from one like just now.
Also I'm pretty sure Wally was watching a Formula 1 race from like two decades ago."First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"
*You got the touch! You got the poweeeeer!*
"Arise, Woolseyus Prime."
"Elizabeth..."
Comment
-
Quite a few things that I didn’t think added up about the Zoom explanation.
- Now-Zoom and Caitlin discuss things as if it happened between them and not past-Zoom. Unless Now-Zoom remembers those things in real-time from his past self.
And if they are so closely connected:
- Now-Zoom went back in time to team up with past-Zoom in order to be on 2 worlds at once. Now-Zoom said he convinced past-Zoom to be murdered, so why doesn’t that erase now-Zoom?
- Hunter Zolomon was immediately recognized by Wells and said he was quite famous on Earth-2. Why did no one recognize “Jay Garrick” Flash as him?
- “Jay” had a background in science that he demonstrated on several instances to Caitlin that couldn’t have been scripted or planned ahead of time. So far as we know, Hunter Zolomon never had the opportunity to become proficient in advanced sciences.
- Now-Zoom admits to having the sickness from Velocity. So did past-Zoom (Jay) but their lightning were 2 different colors. Judging from Trajectory, this is a side-effect of Velocity, but it’s unlikely that it’s directly related to only speed, as Barry was going faster than Zoom this episode.
Any others I missed?sigpic
Comment
-
If this was a Zolomon from before he gained speedster powers then why is he dying? Isn't it the Velocity drugs that were killing him?"First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"
*You got the touch! You got the poweeeeer!*
"Arise, Woolseyus Prime."
"Elizabeth..."
Comment
-
Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostI don't understand the explanation for the second Jay. Why doesn't murdering his past self erase himself from existence?
Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostI thought it was pretty weird how they just showed the explanation for the Supergirl crossover, but then ignored it entirely.
Harry: There is no way to another Earth!
Flash: Yep, and I sure didn't just come from one like just now.
Comment
-
Also, what exactly was Zoom's plan? He wanted them to think Jay was dead so Barry could go faster, but he also didn't want them to close the breach. Yet he still had Jay help them do so?"First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"
*You got the touch! You got the poweeeeer!*
"Arise, Woolseyus Prime."
"Elizabeth..."
Comment
-
Originally posted by Archaeis View PostQuite a few things that I didn’t think added up about the Zoom explanation.
- Now-Zoom and Caitlin discuss things as if it happened between them and not past-Zoom. Unless Now-Zoom remembers those things in real-time from his past self.
And if they are so closely connected:
- Now-Zoom went back in time to team up with past-Zoom in order to be on 2 worlds at once. Now-Zoom said he convinced past-Zoom to be murdered, so why doesn’t that erase now-Zoom?
- Hunter Zolomon was immediately recognized by Wells and said he was quite famous on Earth-2. Why did no one recognize “Jay Garrick” Flash as him?
- “Jay” had a background in science that he demonstrated on several instances to Caitlin that couldn’t have been scripted or planned ahead of time. So far as we know, Hunter Zolomon never had the opportunity to become proficient in advanced sciences.
- Now-Zoom admits to having the sickness from Velocity. So did past-Zoom (Jay) but their lightning were 2 different colors. Judging from Trajectory, this is a side-effect of Velocity, but it’s unlikely that it’s directly related to only speed, as Barry was going faster than Zoom this episode.
Any others I missed?
Hunter/Jay could have speed read books similar to what Barry has done.
The blue is from running faster using the speed drug. That women that used it didn't have her lightning turn blue until she ran faster on the second dose. Barry's didn't run blue because he didn't use the drug I think it is directly related to the drug.Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe togethersigpic
Comment
-
Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostIf this was a Zolomon from before he gained speedster powers then why is he dying? Isn't it the Velocity drugs that were killing him?
The Guy in the Mask is most definatly Rani(not sure how his name is spelled). He split from the Professor inside the rift and dissapeared after. So either he was killed when the rift collapsed or he was thrown to the other Dimension, just like Zolomons Flash-Hat had appeared on Earth 1.
Comment
-
It could be Ronnie but that would be a very plausible explanation the line "You wouldn't believe me if I told you" makes me think it's someone we haven't meet.
As I write that it makes me think even more about that scene honestly Wally was gone and safe Barry could have attacked Zoom and put him in a cell they were all just sitting there like normal chatting. Everything that Barry did in this episode made absolutely no senseDuct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe togethersigpic
Comment
-
It could be Ronnie but that would be a very plausible explanation the line "You wouldn't believe me if I told you" makes me think it's someone we haven't meet.
As I write that it makes me think even more about that scene honestly Wally was gone and safe Barry could have attacked Zoom and put him in a cell they were all just sitting there like normal chatting. Everything that Barry did in this episode made absolutely no senseDuct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe togethersigpic
Comment
-
Originally posted by Jeffer View PostIt could be Ronnie but that would be a very plausible explanation the line "You wouldn't believe me if I told you" makes me think it's someone we haven't meet.
As I write that it makes me think even more about that scene honestly Wally was gone and safe Barry could have attacked Zoom and put him in a cell they were all just sitting there like normal chatting. Everything that Barry did in this episode made absolutely no sense
As for Barry not taking down Zoom. We all should know there is a unspoken superhero codex. A Hero can never break his promisses, is amongst some of them. He wouldnt be much of a Hero, if he cheated.
Comment
-
An interesting theroy I just read
Hunter took his mom's name "Zolomon" when Hunter killed his mother. He told the police it was his dad and his Dad being a good person took the fall plus the police didn't belive him after Hunter said that his dad killed his mom. The name of Hunters dad Jay Gerrick and thus the man in the mask IS Jay, Hunters fatherDuct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe togethersigpic
Comment
-
Originally posted by tomstone View PostThat would most likely make it a third Flash. The only thing he ever got out was Jay Garret, the fake name of Zoom. If he was Ronnie and wanting to tell him that, he would probably have used his own name.
As for Barry not taking down Zoom. We all should know there is a unspoken superhero codex. A Hero can never break his promisses, is amongst some of them. He wouldnt be much of a Hero, if he cheated.
Comment
Comment