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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostConsidering that most scifi shows really have little basis in actual science...
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostWe're talking Terra Nova, not those other shows. I've already argued how flawed the premise is. Instead of defending the show by pointing out how flawed other shows are, try arguing why the show's science isn't flawed. If you can't do that, then I prove my case.
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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostThe science behind the story of Terra Nova is probably very flawed. Thing is nobody cares.
Realistic science simply isn't necessary for a decent story premise, as long as that story is interesting.
And no, it won't be the most intelligent of shows, but why does it have to be?
I adore intellectually stimulating stuff...
...but sometimes it's nice to switch one's brain off and have a bit of fun.
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostWrong, I care. If I care, it's likely others do as well.
Avoiding realistic science is lazy writing.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostI just want a story that doesn't have things happen, "because it's uber kewl, omgz!111!!!!"Last edited by The Mighty 6 platoon; 03 June 2011, 02:40 PM.
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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostNot that many, otherwise stuff like Transformers and Avatar wouldn't be among the most profitable films ever made.
Tell that to Farscape...
Same goes for shows like Doctor Who.
But nobody else cares what you want.
Tv execs are intrested in money, and the majority of people will lap most things up. And while there is a smaller core audience that is more discerning, they probably aren't going to kick up much of a fuss either. The trailer shows it to be silly fun, people will judge it on its merits as that.
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostTransformers was successful, because it was a two-hour special effect. Avatar was a brilliant film. A lot of the science may be nonsensical, but at least the writers tried to make it believable.
I didn't watch either show. Farscape was too weird, Doctor Who was too silly.
I'm the costumer, I'm the one who buys their product. They better care or I will spend my money elsewhere. Anyone who knows anything about business knows this is the golden rule. Your customers, or in the case of television, your viewing audience comes first.
I'm not interested in silly fun, I'm interested in something with... well... a little more thought out. It doesn't have to be complicated, it just needs to make sense and be well thought out. It's like when Superman pulls a car out of danger by grabbing the bumper. Realistically, the bumper would just rip off the car or bend horrifically. This is why I don't like Superman, it's cartoony. That is how this dinosaur show feels, cartoony. If I want cartoony, I'll watch cartoons.
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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostConsidering that most scifi shows really have little basis in actual science I can't really see how Terra Nova can be seen as any worse than Trek or Stargate or Farscape.
It has someone who can best be described as looking like a cast off from Twilight as the lead. It has the word "Teen" in the title and is about them. It's on MTV. These things tell me instantly it really isn't a show aimed at me. Unless the young idiot in your signature is torn apart in the first 5 minutes and replaced with someone cool, like say Ian McShane in full on evil mode, then I can safely say that Teen Wolf is of zero interest to me.
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Just so that no one could say that I hadn't completely dismissed Teen Wolf out of hand, I just watched the trailer for the show on youtube. I'll let Stephen Fry sum up my thoughts on it...
Honestly guys? This show is about a different kind of science, the kind that bites, runs and lives in the Cretaceous. It's a fact that writing a story that's both realistic and entertaining is quite possibly the hardest thing out there, and if we restricted ourselves to watching only such well thought out TV, the market would collapse overnight. Sit back, enjoy the carnage.
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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostYou seem to fail to comprehend that you are not in any way representative of really any major part of the tv audience.
TV execs care about what the majority of people will want, and a flashy show with dinosaurs will keep them happy.
Most won't demand that show that's about shooting dinosaurs be the best written show in existence.
In fact they'd probably hope that the better writers are off working on, or pitching, the more arty shows, rather than wasting their time with something that's just throwaway fun.
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View Post
Who says a better writer can only write for an arty show? As a writer, I find that insulting. If I were to have pitched Terra Nova, I'd have the show mostly take place in the present and the distant past. People would be making trips, via time machine, to the distant past to research life forms of the time. Perhaps a plague is devastating the Earth and the cure lies in dinosaur immunities from millions of years ago. To me, that'd be more interesting than, "OMG, we had too much sex in 150 years and magically overpopulated the Earth, let's go back to dinosaur times for kewl action, gun vs dinosaurs, and uh... emo drama?" Eh... I'll pass.
Now you saying you want people to be traveling back and forth through time researching things for whatever reason. Or, going through the effort of traveling millions of years into the past because they need a cure to a plague that they've somehow managed to figure out that the dinosours were immune to it. "OMG , we're all gonna die of a plague, lets travel back to the Triassic period to find a cure"
Overpopulation isnt just about not having enough space to fit everybody. We would need the resources to sustain that population.sigpic
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Originally posted by Ukko View PostWeren't you just argueing for "realistic and believable science and stories" a moment ago?
Now you saying you want people to be traveling back and forth through time researching things for whatever reason.
Or, going through the effort of traveling millions of years into the past because they need a cure to a plague that they've somehow managed to figure out that the dinosours were immune to it. "OMG , we're all gonna die of a plague, lets travel back to the Triassic period to find a cure"
Overpopulation isnt just about not having enough space to fit everybody. We would need the resources to sustain that population.
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostYes.
Yes, what's the problem? Traveling back to prehistoric times for research could make an interesting series if what is being researched is also interesting.
Folks having to make a life in the past is interesting. Especially a time as alien as that.
Try using your imagination. A plague is slowly wiping out not just humanity, but all animal life. Various scientists, historians, archaeologists, and other experts could theorize that this was a long-dormant plague from prehistoric history. It's said that if you survived a bite from a T-Rex, the infection from it's mouth would certainly kill you. Dinosaurs lived or died by their own immunities, there was no doctor to heal them. A working time machine, for historical research, could be commandeered by the government to explore the possibility of the dinosaurs being immune to this plague. All they need is just one dino's immunity. It would be a quest to save tomorrow by delving into history. I like this!
And just because you like it, it doesnt mean everyone else will.
The Earth is vast, I'd like to think it would take several thousand years before this happens. Somehow, six billion people doesn't seem crowded. We have some crowded countries, sure, but the Earth? Naaa...sigpic
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Originally posted by Ukko View PostA show about research in Africa would be interesting if the thing being researched was also interesting. Dont need a time machine or risk futzing up the timeline then (Something which you argued would happen in another post).
Folks having to make a life in the past is interesting. Especially a time as alien as that.
Being a long dormant plague doesnt mean we wouldnt be able to cure it, or mean we would need to travel millions of years into the past to find a cure. And delving into our history would be just as interesting if we went to a time when there were people. Ancient humans didnt have doctors.
And just because you like it, it doesnt mean everyone else will.
Vast yes, but its not just about having space to put people. We need food and fresh water, minerals and fuel for our tech and buildings etc etc.
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