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[the Fifth Race]

Worst Case Scenario was a very good episode. Don't get me wrong Lady Rac, there are quite a few VOY episodes where Chakotay was excellent that I really enjoyed.

Worst Case Scenario was a decent enough episode. Note: In Germany, this episode was instead named "Rebellion Alpha", after the holo-program (which was called "Insurrection Alpha" in the English version).

Ahhh yes the episode where the makeup of the Kradin is very similar to Fek'lhr. (TNG: "Devil's Due") and the Nausicaans (first seen in TNG: "Tapestry"), as well as the aliens from the Predator movies, giving them an untrustworthy appearance, despite their good intentions. There seems to be many parallels between Vietnam and the Vori conflict with the Kradin. It was a pretty good Chakotay episode.

VOY was famous for trying to pass off Delta Quadrant aliens as aliens we have already seen from the Alpha Quadrant. Sure they would throw on a different costume and maybe change the color of the make-up slightly, but in most cases it was obvious what they had done. The quite good season 7 VOY episode, The Void, was chalk full of supposed Delta Quadrant aliens that we had seen before in the Alpha Quadrant on TNG and DS9.

Note: Does anybody know what the significance of the #47 is on VOY?. That number is referenced many times throughout the series and I didn't follow VOY closely enough to remember if there was or was'nt any significance to it.

[the Fifth Race]

I liked very much this scene :
on DEEP SPACE NINE: "Little Green Men" - 4.08.

Great episode!. One of favorite Ferengi adventure episodes from the entire series. Brother Starbase and yourself posted some of the very funny dialogue.

Here is some background and inside information on Little Green Men:

"All I ask for is a tall ship...and a load of contraband to fill it with" is a paraphrase of John Masefield's famous poem, Sea-Fever, which includes the line, "All I ask for is a tall ship and a star to steer her by."

This is the first episode where entire sentences of Ferengi language are heard.

The scene where all of the humans observing the "martians" behind the one-way mirror were smoking was a deliberate commentary on the use of tobacco in the 1940s.

Charles Napier played Adam, in TOS's 3rd season episode "The Way to Eden".

A poster on the wall of one of the base's rooms says "My Love Has Wings," a possible reference to Nightingale Woman, which was recited in "Where No Man Has Gone Before".

In this episode, Ferengi do not always use their traditional mis-pronunciation of "human" as "hew-mon."

This episode is featured in the Star Trek: Fan Collective - Time Travel DVD, where it received a text commentary from Mike and Denise Okuda.

Nog notes that Gabriel Bell from the Bell Riots looked a lot like Captain Sisko, referencing the events of DS9: "Past Tense, Part I" and "Past Tense, Part II".

This episode first aired more than a year before the premiere of Star Trek: First Contact, and hints that Vulcans were the first alien race to have official contact with humans.

[Xicer]

Note: Does anybody know what the significance of the #47 is on VOY?. That number is referenced many times throughout the series and I didn't follow VOY closely enough to remember if there was or was'nt any significance to it.

It's just one of those jokes the writers sneak into most episodes. It's not just in Voyager, it occurs frequently in some of the other series as well. Here's some more info:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/47

[the Fifth Race]

It's just one of those jokes the writers sneak into most episodes. It's not just in Voyager, it occurs frequently in some of the other series as well. Here's some more info:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/47

Thanx for the head's up Xicer. I knew of the existence on the #47 involved with Star Trek, I just didn't know what the significance was. I guess it is kind of joke that writer Joe Menosky started because of his being a member of the The 47 Society at that bastion of knowledge - Pomona College

I can remember some people at various Trek conventions wearing Club 47 jackets.

[USS Defiant]

It's just one of those jokes the writers sneak into most episodes. It's not just in Voyager, it occurs frequently in some of the other series as well.

It started on TNG with Menosky and it carried over onto DS9 and VOY (not sure about ENT, maybe Trek_Girl would know). The story goes that ... Joe Menosky "infected" other Star Trek writers with it, and as a result the number (or its reverse, 74) occurs in some way or other in almost every episode of this program and its spin-offs Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise. The number might be mentioned in the dialogue, appear on a computer screen a character is looking at, or be a substring of a larger number. The number also appears on some of the DVD menu screens for the episodes. They range from extremely obvious (for example, "shields are down to 47%"), to very well hidden. Some examples are listed here:

* In the TNG episode Darmok, Worf reports a particle gradient of 4/7.
* In the DS9 episode Whispers, the planet Parada 4 has seven moons.
* In the VOY episode Non Sequitur, Harry Kim lives in apartment 4-G, G being the seventh letter of the alphabet. The intentionality of this reference to 47 was confirmed by Brannon Braga, the writer of that episode.

According to a joke by Rick Berman "47 is 42, corrected for inflation".

[USS Defiant]

DS9 Season II Epsiode Discussion
Episode #34 Paradise

When Sisko and O'Brien beam down to a planet, they find a human colony that has been stranded 10 years with no means of escape. The colonists have been forced to abandon all forms of technology, none of which work due to bizarre interference in the atmosphere. In what turns out to be more than a coincidence, the colony leader, Alixus (Gail Strickland), is a naturalist extremist who has always resented the effects technology has had on mankind ("We have become fat and lazy," she notes tellingly). She considers her technology-free community a shining achievement, never mind that many of her followers have died as a result of living in such an extreme environment without modern medicine or supplies.

"Paradise's" intent seems to be allegory, making a statement about cult leadership and how strong opinions and followings can oppose the general consensus. But the social commentary is heavy-handed and only marginally effective - some of Alixus' long-winded speeches, particularly the one at the finale, ring false. And considering how unlikable Alixus ultimately comes off, it's hard to see her as much more than a villain, albeit with a sincere motive. Still, on that level, "Paradise" works quite well. Alixus and Sisko almost instantly fall into conflict. She's set on absorbing Sisko and O'Brien into her community, adamant on quickly and completely forcing them into her way of life. Her methodology of torture in the face of any threat to the community's well-being, the simple and appropriate "hot box", prove she will do anything for her ideals. Like it or not, Alixus is a villain, although a three dimensional one surrounded by some intelligent issues. Sisko's adamant opposition and strength in the face of such a situation is commendable, and both Brooks and Meaney deliver solid performances. I have some problems with the colonists' over-simplified reactions to finding out Alixus planned both their marooning and the deletion of technology, but the grey-area polemics make the Sisko/Alixus hero/villain conflict that much more interesting.

[Trek_Girl42]

It started on TNG with Menosky and it carried over onto DS9 and VOY (not sure about ENT, maybe Trek_Girl would know). The story goes that ... Joe Menosky "infected" other Star Trek writers with it, and as a result the number (or its reverse, 74) occurs in some way or other in almost every episode of this program and its spin-offs Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise. The number might be mentioned in the dialogue, appear on a computer screen a character is looking at, or be a substring of a larger number. The number also appears on some of the DVD menu screens for the episodes. They range from extremely obvious (for example, "shields are down to 47%"), to very well hidden. Some examples are listed here:

* In the TNG episode Darmok, Worf reports a particle gradient of 4/7.
* In the DS9 episode Whispers, the planet Parada 4 has seven moons.
* In the VOY episode Non Sequitur, Harry Kim lives in apartment 4-G, G being the seventh letter of the alphabet. The intentionality of this reference to 47 was confirmed by Brannon Braga, the writer of that episode.

According to a joke by Rick Berman "47 is 42, corrected for inflation".

Wow.....never noticed. Wasn't 47 supposed to be something significant on Alias as well? Perhaps J.J. will carry on the 47 tradition on the new film.

[Lieutenant Colonel Davis]

Thanx for the head's up Xicer. I knew of the existence on the #47 involved with Star Trek, I just didn't know what the significance was. I guess it is kind of joke that writer Joe Menosky started because of his being a member of the The 47 Society at that bastion of knowledge - Pomona College

I can remember some people at various Trek conventions wearing Club 47 jackets.

I went to Pitzer and Harvy Mudd Colleges, Pomona is where I ate dinner.

[Krisz]

It started on TNG with Menosky and it carried over onto DS9 and VOY (not sure about ENT, maybe Trek_Girl would know). The story goes that ... Joe Menosky "infected" other Star Trek writers with it, and as a result the number (or its reverse, 74) occurs in some way or other in almost every episode of this program and its spin-offs Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise. The number might be mentioned in the dialogue, appear on a computer screen a character is looking at, or be a substring of a larger number. The number also appears on some of the DVD menu screens for the episodes. They range from extremely obvious (for example, "shields are down to 47%"), to very well hidden. Some examples are listed here:

* In the TNG episode Darmok, Worf reports a particle gradient of 4/7.
* In the DS9 episode Whispers, the planet Parada 4 has seven moons.
* In the VOY episode Non Sequitur, Harry Kim lives in apartment 4-G, G being the seventh letter of the alphabet. The intentionality of this reference to 47 was confirmed by Brannon Braga, the writer of that episode.

According to a joke by Rick Berman "47 is 42, corrected for inflation".

Never noticed this either, "How obscure!" as 'Grace' would say!


My enjoyment of season two continues. I've been enjoying the introduction to the machinations of Winn Adami! Oh I do love to hate that woman! She is so wonderfully portrayed by Louise Fletcher. She just 'oozes' her way along, damning and confusing her opponents in mellifluous tones. A perfect picture of false sincerity....oooh don't you just want to hit her!!!

Seeing her with Frank Langella / Minister Jaro in 'The Circle' was superb. He always plays conniving politicians and it was fun to see him playing the same role in an alien context! I loved him in the movie 'Dave' and his role in 'The Circle' reminded me of the same sort of power play and deserved fall as he fails in his efforts.

The tension between Kira and Winn is wonderfully handled. A clash of Kira's honest hopes for Bajor's future and Winn's views warped by selfish motives. Her deep seated resentment of Sisko, an alien, being chosen as the Emissary colours her dealings with him. Seeing how she tries to cover this up or show it is fascinating, always depending on what she's scheming of course!

There is so much going on in DS9, it's quite interesting how much I missed the first time round. Coupled with the interesting discussions on this thread it adds more to the whole viewing experience.

[Starbase]

Wow.....never noticed. Wasn't 47 supposed to be something significant on Alias as well? Perhaps J.J. will carry on the 47 tradition on the new film.

Apparently Alias appears quite a bit on the list of television shows with variants of 47 intertwined into the storyline, as do Lost and The Simpsons as well.

I got this wonderful breakdown of the #47 on DS9 from a web-site dedicated to the 47 society. Some of it I find interesting and some of it is kind of stretch. This list is always expanding:

1. "Emissary" One of his crew tells Gul Jasad of the Cardassian Seventh Order that the Fourth Order can arrive in a day as reinforcements. (PY)
2. "Emissary" While in the wormhole, three separate close-ups of the monitor in the Rio Grande clearly show a button labeled "47" on the right-hand side. (PY)
3. "Emissary" Just before O'Brien beamed Dax back to Ops after she was "escorted" out of the wormhole, he and Kira were checking out a monitor whose display was labeled "Scan Analysis 4077." (PY)
4. "Past Prologue" Kira looks for information on the Kohn-Ma on a screen with a counter in the corner; this counter reads "04077919" at the beginning of the shot; the last three numbers scroll down rapidly throughout this brief scene, but the 4077 does not change.
5. "Babel" Julian's antidote series for the aphasia virus is labeled "File 839472-39." Also, "947" appears three times in the array of numbers in the display. (PY)
6. "The Passenger" Bashir says he's just picking up a ship on long range sensors, bearing "347 mark 08." (PF)
7. "The Nagus" Each of the desks in Keiko's schoolroom is labled "4077" as shown in a closeup of Jake's station. (PY)
8. "Progress" 47 people living on the moon besides Mollibok had already left willingly. (PF)
9. "Progress" Jake and Nog own the fourth piece of land wanted by the Provisional Government for development. And it just happens to be seven tessipates in size. (PY)
10. "In the Hands of the Prophets" The computer has seven encryption sequences; the first one decodes as the number 4. (DC)
11. "The Circle" Odo consults with a person on Bajor about the Circle; Odo's viewscreen says "Bajoran Regional Comm Network, Routing Code 47-00076."
12. "Cardassians" Bashir is rather irritated with Garak for coming up with a new idea after searching 7420 files for a misspelling of Rugel's name.
13. Rule of Acquisition #47: "Don't trust a man wearing a better suit than your own." ("Rivals")
14. "Whispers" The planet Parada 4 has 7 moons.
15. "Whispers" O'Brien asks how big of a lead he has on the runabout chasing him. The computer responds, "Seven minutes, four seconds." (PF)
16. "Whispers" There is a button labeled "47" between two monitors on the Rio Grande. (PY)
17. "Playing God" At one point Dax changes course to "130 mark 47."
18. "Blood Oath" Kang says he discovered the Albino's hideout 7 years ago on a planet called Dayos 4. (PY)
19. "The Maquis, Part II" Dukat scares the Xepolite captain by threatening to fire photons in "15...10...7...4" seconds. (PY)
20. "The Maquis, Part II" There's a button labeled "947" between the two monitors in Cal Hudson's ship. (PY)
21. "The Wire" Julian and Jadzia look at a display labeled "File 839472-58" while trying to find out what's wrong with Jadzia's plant. (PY)
22. "The Search, Part I" The Defiant has registry number NX-74205. (DJC) Also adds Dan Case, "the Defiant's registry has more than just the initial 74. Add the 2, 0 and 5 and you get..."
23. At the beginning of "The Search, Part II" the camera pans across a flickering display with the number 947 on it.
24. "The House of Quark" O'Brien draws up plans for an arboretum on a datapadd labeled "947." (PY)
25. "Equilibrium" Joran Belar was born on stardate 1024.7. (PY)
26. "Meridian" O'Brien says that the next dimensional shift should occur within the next 47 minutes.
27. "Defiant" Kira's access code is delta-5-4-7.
28. "Defiant" They make reference to Cardassian Outpost 47.
29. "Fascination" In the teaser O'Brien tells Julian that Keiko will be gone another 4 months after this visit. Later, Keiko says the project had to be extended "another 2 or 3 months," after which Miles complains, "That's 7 months!" (PY)
30. "The Die Is Cast" USS Portland NCC-57418 searched for Odo and Garak in Algira sector. There is an obvious 74, and also 1-8=7; "747". (From the Star Trek Encyclopedia.) (AH)
31. "Visionary" The Romulans are moved to quarters in section 47, level 2.
32. "Family Business" On the Promenade, Sisko begins to tell Bashir and O'Brien, "I'll be in cargo bay..." "Four?" O'Brien interrupts. "Huh? Seven," Sisko corrects. (PF)
33. "Family Business" You need seven strips of latinum to take a turbolift 40 floors at the Ferengi Commerce Authority. (PY)
34. "Shakaar" O'Brien is poised to win his 47th dart game in a row.
35. "The Adversary" Dax says there are 47 people on board the Defiant.
36. "The Adversary" The ship's course changes to "015 mark 47."
37. "The Visitor" Jake writes on a PADD with the number 4747 in the upper left-hand corner.
38. The same PADD appears in Worf's hands with a mug shot on it in "Hippocratic Oath."
39. "Little Green Men" Nog jokes to Jake that they've spent 2,147 hours together in their spot above the Promenade.
40. "Little Green Men" Quark, Rom, Nog and Odo travel back to Roswell, 1947. (This is a coincidence as well.)
41. "Our Man Bashir" There are 74 lasers spread around the surface of the planet.
42. "Homefront" Look close: The number 4347 (as well as 4547, 4747, etc.) appears on the closeup of Jaresh-Inyo's PADD as he gives Admiral Leyton control of Earth. (PY)
43. "Homefront" The first shot of Earth we see includes what looks like a transit tunnel in the foreground of the shot. The portion of the tunnel that is onscreen is the junction of sections 47 and 48.
44. "Paradise Lost" The same transit tunnel makes three appearances in this episode: once at the very start of the episode, once in the middle of the episode after a commercial break, and lastly immediately after the scene with Sisko and Leyton in the jail cell.
45. "Paradise Lost" The Red Squad was scheduled to return to base at 1947 PST on the night of the 23rd.
46. "Paradise Lost" The access code for a classified personnel file viewed by Sisko and Odo is "Leyton-1-omega-4-7," seen at the lower right-hand corner of the display. (PY)
47. "Crossfire" While going over the crime reports with Odo, Kira asks about item 7: Odo explains that it was an incident in which someone was found painting graffiti in section 4. (PF)
48. "Return to Grace" Time for the first battle drill on Dukat's ship: "Three forty-seven."
49. "Return to Grace" Kira describes a standard-issue Cardassian phase disruptor rifle to Ziyal. It has a 4.7 megajoule power capacity.
50. "Sons of Mogh" Kira detonates all of the mines in sectors 22-alpha through 47-gamma.

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[Starbase]

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51. "Accession" Akorem left Bajor in the year 9174.
52. "Hard Time" O'Brien goes into the cargo bay, intending to kill himself. He gets a phaser out of a weapons locker designated "47 | Weapons Locker."
53. "Shattered Mirror" The same weapons locker designated "47 | Weapons Locker" has apparently moved to Ops. Sisko, Kira and O'Brien get phasers out of it before attempting to transport to the mirror universe.
54. "The Muse" Jake writes on the same PADD with "4747" in the upper left-hand corner (Jake used it in "The Visitor" and Worf had it in "Hippocratic Oath").
55. "To the Death" At the briefing with the senior staff and the Jem'Hadar, Sisko shows everyone "Tactical Scan 147." (It's in the upper right-hand corner of the display, and it's difficult to make out...it may say "347," but I'm not sure. You can check the video reference if you want to see where I think it is...)
56. "Broken Link" Worf enters a Jefferies tube by hitting a button on a control panel. One of the other buttons is labeled "47." (PY)
57. "Broken Link" Garak tries to get control of the Defiant's weapons by working on an access port labeled "407." (PY)
58. "Apocalypse Rising" Dax shows the senior staff a graphic labeled Polaron Emitter Prototype X-47.
59. "Nor The Battle To The Strong" Jake's PADD 4747 (cf. "The Visitor" and "The Muse") makes another appearance in this episode. He writes on it during the teaser before the opening credits. (TF)
60. "Nor The Battle To The Strong" A nurse asks Jake to take a tray to the patient in G-4. (See "Non Sequitur" on Voyager 47s for clarification...)
61. "The Assignment" O'Brien looks at a PADD labeled "Station Schematic 4747" while going over the instructions from the alien inhabiting Keiko.
62. "Trials and Tribble-Ations" Koloth's ship is a Class D-7 cruiser. (PY) [Note: It was a D-7 cruiser thirty years ago, long before 47 ever made its debut, but who am I to argue...--Ed.]
63. "The Begotten" Shakaar and Dr. Mora depart for Bajor on shuttle 4709.
64. "A Simple Investigation" O'Brien views a picture of a woman in "Queen's Gambit" on a PADD with "Holosuite Program - 5547" in the upper right corner.
65. "Ferengi Love Songs" Zek's personal access code is 3*74*/156. (Alessio13)
66. "Blaze of Glory" Sisko overrides the safeties on the engines with access code "Sisko A-4-7-1".
67. "Empok Nor" O'Brien tells someone to go to conduit G-4. (See "Nonsequitur" on Voyager 47s).
68. "In the Cards" The first lot we saw sold at auction was lot 47, though it was never named. Jake/Nog bid on the one after it, lot 48, which contained the Willie Mays card. (BirdOfPrey)
69. "A Time to Stand" The admiral shows Sisko the location of the main Dominion Ketracel-White facility on an asteroid labeled 345-447.
70. "A Time To Stand" The admiral shows Sisko the Jem'Hadar ship on a panel that was labeled Stellar Cartography 4747 before the picture came up.
71. "The Sacrifice of Angels" A comm announcement orders all Dominion personnel to 4, 7 and 12 to evacuate the station.
72. "Statistical Probabilities" Bashir shows Captain Sisko a PADD with "Analysis Mode -- 47" in the upper right-hand corner.
73. "Who Mourns for Morn?" Morn's account in the Bolian Bank is number CJ5-74-36. (Alessio13)
74. "Far Beyond the Stars" The Biblical quote from Sisko's father comes from II Timothy 4:7. (DO)
75. "One Little Ship" Stardate for episode: 51474.2.
76. "One Little Ship" The turbolift panel the Rubicon "presses" to activate the lift has a 47 right below the pad it hits.
77. "Change of Heart" Dax scans the planet in a screen that says Scanning Grid 47110 in the lower right-hand corner.
78. "Inquisition" In the wardroom, Director Sloan reads from a padd with the number 847 on the back. Later he waves it in Bashir's face in the security cells.
79. "In The Pale Moonlight" Sisko gets some information on the Romulan Senator on a PADD with the number 4778 in the lower right-hand corner of the display.
80. "His Way" Although it is not possible to see the numbers clearly onscreen, Sisko waves around the selfsame PADD with 847 on the back when talking to Odo in his office.
81. "Valiant" The Valiant tracks a Dominion battleship traveling at warp 4.7.
82. "Valiant" The first officer looks at a display labeled "Fwd Targeting Scanners 4751".
83. "Image in the Sand" Admiral Ross gives Kira a PADD with information on the Romulan senator; the number 4774 appears on the lower right-hand corner of the display.
84. "Take Me Out To The Holosuite" Kasidy Yates' number on her baseball uniform is number 47.
85. "Treachery, Faith and the Great River" The same PADD with 047 on the back appears in the hands of Worf as Martok demands to know where his blood wine has gone...
86. "The Siege of AR-558" In the viewfinder of the binoculars the troops use to scope out the Jem'Hadar, there are a couple of tiny 47s in the numbers flashing quickly back and forth at the bottom.
87. "Field of Fire" There are 48 Vulcans on the station, so to find the murderer, Ezri and Joran say they will have to eliminate 47 of them.
88. "Extreme Measures" On the tiny pad next to the just "one more door", O'Brien taps the button labeled 47.
89. "The Dogs of War" Brunt offers 40 bricks of latinum as a bribe to Quark; Quark counters with 70.

[Starbase]

My enjoyment of season two continues. I've been enjoying the introduction to the machinations of Winn Adami! Oh I do love to hate that woman! She is so wonderfully portrayed by Louise Fletcher. She just 'oozes' her way along, damning and confusing her opponents in mellifluous tones. A perfect picture of false sincerity....oooh don't you just want to hit her!!!

I agree about Winn Adami - she is very easy to hate, but you can't deny how powerful of a screen presence she has. Fletcher is such a wonderful actress!.

Seeing her with Frank Langella / Minister Jaro in 'The Circle' was superb. He always plays conniving politicians and it was fun to see him playing the same role in an alien context! I loved him in the movie 'Dave' and his role in 'The Circle' reminded me of the same sort of power play and deserved fall as he fails in his efforts.

The tension between Kira and Winn is wonderfully handled. A clash of Kira's honest hopes for Bajor's future and Winn's views warped by selfish motives. Her deep seated resentment of Sisko, an alien, being chosen as the Emissary colours her dealings with him. Seeing how she tries to cover this up or show it is fascinating, always depending on what she's scheming of course!

The Circle is a very good episode that explained a lot about the Prophets, Orb's, and one's pagh. Kira's encounter with the orb as she explores her pagh is downright powerful - the imagery is effective and the vivid symbolism and foreshadowing proves incredibly intriguing. One beauty of DS9's political backdrop is the way it allows the analysis of events that unfold as witenessed in The Circle. Vedak Winn's did start to become rather long-winded in some of her diologue.

There is so much going on in DS9, it's quite interesting how much I missed the first time round. Coupled with the interesting discussions on this thread it adds more to the whole viewing experience.

Very well said Kris!. As brother Fifth Race has pointed out many times. - "DS9 is such a deep and rich show with complex storylines and characters, that each time I watch it something new is discovered and enjoyed." How many shows (scifi or not) can you say that about?, not many if any at all.

[the Fifth Race]

My enjoyment of season two continues. I've been enjoying the introduction to the machinations of Winn Adami! Oh I do love to hate that woman! She is so wonderfully portrayed by Louise Fletcher. She just 'oozes' her way along, damning and confusing her opponents in mellifluous tones. A perfect picture of false sincerity....oooh don't you just want to hit her!!!

Isn't Louise Fletcher wonderful, as much as I despise the Winn character, I can't deny just how good Fletcher's portrayal was, especially considering how hard it must have been to play the Winn character. She definetly brought an already unforgettable series to a new level.

I have a great character piece done on her that is part biography on Winn/Fletcher and part interview. I will post it up in the next few days.

There is so much going on in DS9, it's quite interesting how much I missed the first time round. Coupled with the interesting discussions on this thread it adds more to the whole viewing experience.

Very well said Kris!. As brother Fifth Race has pointed out many times. - "DS9 is such a deep and rich show with complex storylines and characters, that each time I watch it something new is discovered and enjoyed." How many shows (scifi or not) can you say that about?, not many if any at all.

One sure sign of greatness in any television show or movie, is how well it stands up when re-watched. DS9 and Stargate are IMHO the 2 very best scifi shows period! - that also hold up the best when re-watching them. I always manage to find something new or have a different take after re-watching DS9 episodes.

[Rac80]

Ok, ok I put the book (the deathly hallows) down!!!! Hello again everyone.

It started on TNG with Menosky and it carried over onto DS9 and VOY (not sure about ENT, maybe Trek_Girl would know). The story goes that ... Joe Menosky "infected" other Star Trek writers with it, and as a result the number (or its reverse, 74) occurs in some way or other in almost every episode of this program and its spin-offs Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise. The number might be mentioned in the dialogue, appear on a computer screen a character is looking at, or be a substring of a larger number. The number also appears on some of the DVD menu screens for the episodes. They range from extremely obvious (for example, "shields are down to 47%"), to very well hidden. Some examples are listed here:

* In the TNG episode Darmok, Worf reports a particle gradient of 4/7.
* In the DS9 episode Whispers, the planet Parada 4 has seven moons.
* In the VOY episode Non Sequitur, Harry Kim lives in apartment 4-G, G being the seventh letter of the alphabet. The intentionality of this reference to 47 was confirmed by Brannon Braga, the writer of that episode.

According to a joke by Rick Berman "47 is 42, corrected for inflation".

this "47" thing is hysterical. does that mean at 44 I am 39 corrected for inflation? wouldn't it be nice!

I will reiterate what has already been said: louise fletcher was incredible as Winn. Whenever her character interacted with Kira it was always enthralling. Fletcher was an incredible addition to DS9 and just one of the many superior things that makes DS9 the incredible show it is.
I agree with Fifth that DS9 just improves with time. the undercurrents and other subtleties are fascinating. It needs to "distill upon your mind" to understand and grasp all of it.

[Starbase]

Ok, ok I put the book (the deathly hallows) down!!!! Hello again everyone.

Hello Lady Rac, always great to see you on the superior thread. Are you one of those multi-readers - that if you like a book you re-read a few times for good measure?. I'm borrowing a copy of Deathly Hallows this weekend to read., I hope it's as good as there hyping it to be.

this "47" thing is hysterical. does that mean at 44 I am 39 corrected for inflation? wouldn't it be nice!

LOL, I'm 43, so 38 sounds better to me.

I will reiterate what has already been said: louise fletcher was incredible as Winn. Whenever her character interacted with Kira it was always enthralling. Fletcher was an incredible addition to DS9 and just one of the many superior things that makes DS9 the incredible show it is.

I never appreciated her when I was watching DS9 during its original airing. I just hated the Winn character so much, I was always hoping that Kira would hall off and give her a knuckle sandwich. But the more I re-watch DS9 the more I learn to appreciate just how good Fletcher is.

I agree with Fifth that DS9 just improves with time. the undercurrents and other subtleties are fascinating. It needs to "distill upon your mind" to understand and grasp all of it.

Ditto and very well said Lady Rac.