Deep Space 9 Superior

[jelgate]

Hmmm, that's an interesting thought...
Would you be safer mucking up your ship and limping through Borg space looking as if you're not worth the effort to assimilate?

Yes. Granted not much better. The Borg are a ting bit safer the Dominion. The Borg leave you alone if you are of no interest. The Dominion lacks that hive like mind and attacks anything that isn't under their control. Especially considering at the time their were either in a cold war or open war with the Federation

[Saquist]

I second the motion.

As for the 'Did Janeway/Voyager know about the Dominion threat' question...
'Caretaker' takes place on stardate 48315.6. 'The Jem'hadar' takes place on stardate unknown. 'The Search' takes place on stardate 48213.1. The closest DS9 episode to VOY's starting stardate is 'The Abandoned' with stardate 48301.1.
That far in, Voyager should have known the Dominion were a big threat in the Gamma Quad. How big? Not so sure at that point, but again, the devil you know.

Well that seems pretty conclusive that the Voyager crew should have known about the Dominion....

I guess there is some political information there on whether Janeway would have been briefed on events that had transpired a few days ago. Or maybe the crew...it'self wouldn't have been briefed.

[Alan Wake]

So I just got done watching Parts of Year Of Hell from voyager.

I wonder how the galaxy would change if say, the founders were wiped from existence.

It would certainly be a big change, and of course Odo might not be alive anymore.

[DigiFluid]

If the Founders were erased from having ever existed, Odo would most certainly not be around anymore

[Alan Wake]

If the Founders were erased from having ever existed, Odo would most certainly not be around anymore

Unless he could be somehow protected from the effects of the space time changes

It could happen...

[jelgate]

Wow. I can't even imagine how the Milky Way would be different without the Founders. No Founders means no Dominion. No Dominion would mean the Maquis were never wiped out. The Federation Alliance would never have been formed. And I would like to think that the alliance helped form a cooperation between the Federation, Klingions, and Romulans. The Jem'Hadar were grown by the Founders. They don't exist anymore. The disarray and fear of the Gamma Quadrant is gone. The Vorta probably don't rise to that status of power. Finally a majority of DS9 events (S3-S7) never happened. Give me time I could think of more

[Linda06]

Oh did I miss someone's birthday Um happy birthday Freelancer

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....We can't not have Odo Then there'd be no Odo/Kira I need my Odo/Kira

[DigiFluid]

The disarray and fear of the Gamma Quadrant is gone.

Actually that's probably up for debate. The Founders were all about imposing order, so the GQ as we knew it was most certainly ordered. What would've arisen (or not) in their absence is open to wild speculation.

And happy birthday Freelancer. Sorry if I missed it!


edit; hey look at that, over 13000 replies in this thread! That's more than the combined total posts in the subforums for Caprica, Babylon 5, Dollhouse, Eureka and Fringe combined

[jelgate]

Actually that's probably up for debate. The Founders were all about imposing order, so the GQ as we knew it was most certainly ordered. What would've arisen (or not) in their absence is open to wild speculation.

And happy birthday Freelancer. Sorry if I missed it!

True. It was probably a poor choice of words of my part but know what I meant. The people of the Gamma Quadrant were mostly slaves to the Dominion and ultimately the Founders. No Founders for some societies with give more benefical lives. In some ways you could draw an analogy and say the Dominion was like the former USSR. You did what they said or they sent in the troops to murder you. Both groups were known to annex territories for no known reason

[the Fifth Race]

Wow. I can't even imagine how the Milky Way would be different without the Founders. No Founders means no Dominion. No Dominion would mean the Maquis were never wiped out. The Federation Alliance would never have been formed. And I would like to think that the alliance helped form a cooperation between the Federation, Klingions, and Romulans. The Jem'Hadar were grown by the Founders. They don't exist anymore. The disarray and fear of the Gamma Quadrant is gone. The Vorta probably don't rise to that status of power. Finally a majority of DS9 events (S3-S7) never happened. Give me time I could think of more

Well said brother jelgate!

No Dominion interference would probably mean that the Federation, Klingons, Romulans and maybe the Cardassians would be at each others throat, if not one or all were at war.

The Dominion, in a very bloody and messed up way, did the Alpha Quadrant a favor mainly because of the Federation alliances it bore (especially with the Klingons).

You could also make the argument - that the very back-handed way Q forced our early introduction to the Borg - again, actually did the Federation and the Alpha Quadrant a favor because it also created new alliances and forced Starfleet to advance there technologies (especially in weaponry).

The morale of the story is - Do not mess with the Federation/Starfleet - As a united "federation of planets", we damn sure stand by our friends and neighbors, and if you pi** us off and threaten our extinction, you better be prepared to die yourself - Because we do not capitulate, we will never accept anything less than our freedoms and liberties we are born with, and most importantly, we are all willing to die for said freedoms and liberties no matter the foe or consequences.

[Nemises]

Does anyone have any idea how many ships were part of the Federation, Klingons, Romulans alliance ?

And also why didn't Federation planets have those satellites (that the Cardassians had) in orbit as a defensive weapon during the war ?

[jelgate]

Does anyone have any idea how many ships were part of the Federation, Klingons, Romulans alliance ?

And also why didn't Federation planets have those satellites (that the Cardassians had) in orbit as a defensive weapon during the war ?

According to Memory Alpha at least 25,000 ships.

Different technology for different races. We surpassed the Cardassians in some areas. It seemed like we superior shields for example

[DigiFluid]

Wait, they used shields during the Dominion War?

[the Fifth Race]

According to Memory Alpha at least 25,000 ships.

That sounds about right. Talk about armada.

Different technology for different races. We surpassed the Cardassians in some areas. It seemed like we superior shields for example

They were starting to perfect Ablative Armor when the Dominion War was raging. The USS Defiant (especially the USS Soa Paulo/USS Defiant Part II) and deep space nine itself were outfitted with advanced ablative armor.

[Alan Wake]

According to Memory Alpha at least 25,000 ships.

Different technology for different races. We surpassed the Cardassians in some areas. It seemed like we superior shields for example

Yes, talk about a huge number of ships.

How many of those were actually battle worthy though?