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[Starbase]

Ooh, you have to see tonight's second ep.....it is a SHOCKER. One of the best cliffhangers I've ever seen, and Siddig has been great so far.

It's s been great to see Alexander Siddig again on 24.

Ok, you convinced me, I know I can get a copy of the episode from a friend. I would be nice to Siddig on television again. I enjoyed him in Syriana where he sported a beard as well. He did do a voice appearance on 2 different episodes from the adult animated comedy Family Guy last year.

I agree. Here's a DS9 question. Do you think it would have been cool for Bashir to sport a beard like he has on 24? It does sort of dirty up his image a bit, but I personally like it.

I think it would have suited him quite well, you can tell he has no problems growing a nice full beard. It did wonders for Riker when he switched to the bearded look. I can remember people online and such talking about baby-faced Riker was in those first 2 seasons of TNG, so he comes back in season 3 with a nicely grown and trimmed beard and all of a sudden Rikr is mister mature and noble manly first officer instead of baby-faced boy first officer.

It would have been sweet for TPTB of DS9 to write a bearded Bashir into the storyline in the episode By Inferno's Light to give "Changeling Bashir" a more ominous look.

[Trek_Girl42]

I agree. Here's a DS9 question. Do you think it would have been cool for Bashir to sport a beard like he has on 24? It does sort of dirty up his image a bit, but I personally like it.

I really like the beard as well, a tidier version would have looked great on Bashir, something grown perhaps between the season five/six gap.

[the Fifth Race]

2'22 The Wire - Wasnt all that fussed on this ep. Pretty much Garek gets sick, he tells a few lies, some truth, reveals he hates his time on DS9, and then Bashir finds a way to heal him, and its all better again. I guess thats just the way Garek is.

I enjoyed this episode, although I am huge Garak fan. This episode gave a lot of inside information on Garaks past with the Obsidian Order. And how cool is that implant the Obsidian Order came up with block pain if captured and tortured.

2'23 Crossover - Liked this ep. I havnt seen any of the original series, so im not well informed of the ep where Kirk was transported to this other reality, but it didnt really effect this ep imo. It was good to see all the characters and actors in different roles. All did their jobs well. No Dax though. This reminds me of the ENT ep 'In a Mirror, Darkly', which i also really enjoyed.

A standout and a great stand alone episode, and one that sets up the “alternate dimension” episode for each season to come, this is the best of them all.

2'24 The Collaborator - Didnt like this ep. Focused too heavily on the Bajoran religious issues which im not a fan of. Was rather slow imo. The new Kia (sp?) will no doubt lead to some interesting eps/conflicts in the future...

It was descent, episodes that involve how problems arise when fundamentalist religion mixes with politics are riveting. Louise Fletcher is the consummate villian, no scary makeup, no growling, no violence, no weapon more dangerous than her tongue. It's a joy watching her spar with Vedek Bareil, a faithful priest with personal faults, is engaging and goes way beyond your typical sci fi show.

2'25 Tribunal - Everyone trying to get the Chief to leave on his holiday was funny. The man cant stop thinking of his work. This ep gave a good insight into the Cardasian legal system, which is stuffed up by the way. Didnt expect that Boone guy to be an actual Cardasian, so that was a surprise. The Cardaisians dont seem to happy with the planets at the border, but this plan was very risky, especially since Sisko caught them out...

The overall impact of the episode is blunted, unfortunately, by a rather convenient and ineffective deus ex machina ending, but the imagery and dramatic undercurrents of the Cardassian legal proceedings are far too strong to be undermined.

[the Fifth Race]

Oh, I would say the Jem'Hadar definitely made their presence felt when they decided to ram the Odyssey. I was completely stunned when it blew up and still am today every time I watch that scene! It's destruction proved how far they are willing to go in battle and believe me, you'll see how tough they are very soon.

Were you talking about the small Jem'Hadar ships that look like Scarab beetles, MB.Eddie? Well, those are the Dominion's fast attack vessels that are used for patrols and supporting their Capital ships. Yeah, the Jem'Hadar fighters could never match the firepower of a Capital ship like the Galaxy-class in a straight-up fight. They were still able to give the Odyssey a good battering though.

It was a great episode and brought the Dominion into play with a kick in the rear end for the good guys.

Agreed, and I was little shocked when Jem'Hadar Beetle attack ship rammed the Odyssey as well, it showed just how extreme and how far they are willing to go. By introducing the Dominion and Jem'Hadar to the stroyline was a stroke of genuis, It was the catalyst that changed the whole look and feel of the show, which carries all the way to the end of the series.

[HirogenGater]

A standout and a great stand alone episode, and one that sets up the “alternate dimension” episode for each season to come, this is the best of them all.

I know some people HATE the alternate "evil bearded" counterparts from Trek but I love it. What Scifi show nowadays hasn't done the evil counterpart thing? I love it. ENT had "In a Mirror Darkly..." and it was fantastic, I loved how the episode portrayed humans as so evil. Jump ahead to the DS9 episodes and I actually felt sorry for the Terrans but they really did it to themselves.

[HirogenGater]

Agreed, and I was little shocked when Jem'Hadar Beetle attack ship rammed the Odyssey as well, it showed just how extreme and how far they are willing to go. By introducing the Dominion and Jem'Hadar to the stroyline was a stroke of genuis, It was the catalyst that changed the whole look and feel of the show, which carries all the way to the end of the series.

I will never forget that scene where the Odyssey exploded and the looks on all the crew's faces. It really set the tone for the entire series. I like TNG and TOS (somewhat) but DS9 and VOY had much better villians IMO.

[Starbase]

Ooh, you have to see tonight's second ep.....it is a SHOCKER. One of the best cliffhangers I've ever seen, and Siddig has been great so far.

It's s been great to see Alexander Siddig again on 24.

Here is some a current and nice article and interview with Siddig which he talks about Kiefer and 24, Syriana and a new movie, and even a little Star Trek.....

The stereotype about Star Trek actors is that after their shows leave broadcast, they have a hard time being known as anything other than Star Trek actors, no matter how many memorable performances they give elsewhere. Unless we're talking about William Shatner - who is as famous for being William Shatner at this point as he is for being Captain Kirk - many of the performers linked to regular Star Trek roles remain famous as those characters, even actors of the stature of Patrick Stewart, who continues to find himself answering questions about Star Trek despite many years of success in the theatre and another huge film franchise.

But then there's Alexander Siddig. After seven years playing Julian Bashir on Deep Space Nine, the actor is moving into A-list circles in the film industry and will appear in the new season of 24 as the series' major villain. Siddig spoke to The Trek Nation about his recent work in such films as Syriana, whose screenplay was nominated for an Academy Award, and The Nativity Story, in which he plays an archangel opposite two Oscar-nominated actresses.

"I'm pretty lucky at the moment to working on some very interesting films, but TV's going through a renaissance with a return to script driven drama presented in a reality format," Siddig said when asked how it felt to be back on a weekly series after shooting several feature films. "It's very cool being a part of that on 24 - which I believe is one of the trailblazers in the field." The show, which takes its name from the fact that each hour of television represents an hour of real time in a single day, won an Emmy for Outstanding Drama Series last spring.

"It's a totally different climate from DS9 for a couple of reasons," explained Siddig, calling the third Star Trek series "a good show in the dying days of mass interest in sci-fi." Although Siddig said that he and his fellow actors were very proud of the show and loved the work, "we never felt we were cutting edge." 24, on the other hand, perfectly translated post-9/11 paranoia into a taut real-time show about terrorists and threats to national security, and has managed to raise the stakes each season. One of the current writers is former Enterprise show-runner Manny Coto, though Siddig had not yet met him at the time of this interview.

24 also has Emmy-winning star Kiefer Sutherland in its crucial lead role. "Keifer is funny, moody and 'old school'...a powerful actor with steel-like determination and when he laughs, everyone laughs," Siddig said. "I always have to stay on my toes around him, because he has a finely tuned 'bull**** meter' and it's always on." Siddig added that Sutherland is "the pivotal decision maker on the set; we, on Star Trek, were an ensemble, so we took it in turns to be grumpy." He declined to say how much or if he works with Sutherland because "it opens the door to the plot."

In fact Siddig could say little about his work on 24, which will not debut for the season until January 2007. TV Guide described the character he would be playing as one of the "big evildoers" in the new year. Does Sid feel that is a fair characterization? "'Big evildoer' is a fairly apt description," he agreed. "Although I wouldn't get too carried away with the 'big' bit...'biggish' doesn't sound as good." Well, then, is he as evil as, say, Gul Dukat on Deep Space Nine, played by Marc Alaimo, who claimed that Dukat was the misunderstood hero of that series? "Marc is an eccentric - had a pet wolf, if I remember correctly," recalled Siddig. "I don't have a wolf."

Given the number of film and television roles he has worked on since, Siddig is understandably reluctant to dwell on Star Trek, though he said he considers many of the cast members friends and remains impressed with the quality of its writing. "DS9 was terrific," he said. "It was talking about the issues we're all talking about now - the Maquis, the Jem'Hadar were all terrorists, Bajoran religious fanatics were assassinating people, bombing the Promenade - and all this nearly 10 years before 9/11. No other Star Trek show dealt consistently with these themes. The style of the show may not have been cutting edge but the storytelling was prescient. Of course it was a learning experience for all of us. Seven years was just enough. One more day would have been interminable and one day less, unsatisfying."

Siddig has a home in the UK where he spends time when he is not filming. Though he has had less time than he would like to remain in touch with his friends in the cast, an obvious exception is Nana Visitor, to whom he was married for several years. Visitor now plays Jean Ritter on the ABC Family series Wildfire and lives with their son Django. "Obviously Nana and I chatter all the time - but we share a son - who is ten years old now!" Siddig exclaimed. "I love my boy and his brother [Visitor's son Buster] - they know it. I made a decision to do this job and I have to earn my freedom to live anywhere I please whenever I like."

Since the events of 9/11, Siddig explained, his life has changed in ways he never expected. The Sudan-born actor was quoted in a recent Vanity Fair article as saying that before that fateful date, he never much worried about whether to define himself as English, Sudanese or both, but as of 9/11, "Suddenly, I became Arab overnight." Many reports have been published in the intervening years about the sorts of racial profiling and prejudice to which Muslims have been subjected on both sides of the Atlantic, a situation the actor George Takei (Sulu) has compared to his own experiences being incarcerated just for being Japanese-American during World War II.

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[Starbase]

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How difficult has it been for Siddig to define himself in such an environment? "In less than 4000 words? Dadaists would have no problem answering that one - they'd just say, 'fish' and that would completely cover the whole subject. But I'm not really a Dadaist," he joked. "I just wish I was right now. I did become Arab 'overnight' - I wasn't looking for it, it just happened. My professional life bled into my private life where normally I like to keep the two as distinct. And I'm not sure I'm comfortable with it."

"My dad was from the Sudan and my mum was from Merseyside and it's hard to choose between them as I loved them both," he continued. "But as an actor, the roles kind of chose me and (for the time being anyway) so has Arabness. I love both of my cultures and have been fascinated to start learning more about 'the orient'. Even though our feckless politicians don't understand the meaning of the word 'peace' (on both sides of the divide) - most of the rest of us do. So I think we all have a responsibility to make sure that neither culture is destroyed by a few brainless morons."

The other big change in Siddig's fortunes occurred when director Ridley Scott cast Siddig in Kingdom of Heaven along with a cast of very well-known actors including Orlando Bloom, Liam Neeson and Jeremy Irons (this after Oliver Stone refused to cast Siddig in Alexander after learning that Siddig had been a Star Trek regular). "Kingdom of Heaven did, I think, change some stuff in my career...I do get really interesting looking scripts emailed to me now," he said. "I really hope that some of them will translate into interesting films, but it's hard to tell until they're finished, which won't be until 2008! Bummer."

But for Siddig, the interest in a film has more to do with the character and screenplay than the prominence or visibility of the stars. "It's always about the appeal of the character at the moment," he said. "I just happened to luck out on Syriana because the two biggest stars in it were also nice blokes - I've worked on stuff where the stars were so dodgy that you had to wonder how they achieved the stardom they so richly didn't deserve." He described writer-director Stephen Gaghan as a "super-smart, mental multi-tasker" who "thrives on debate and eats lesser intellects for breakfast...trouble is, I barely qualified as a snack so he wasn't exactly jazzed. Bush was re-elected while we were filming in Dubai. You couldn't walk away from the role when you went back to the hotel. Some movies are like small infants who just won't sleep - they keep you up all night."

Kingdom of Heaven, on the other hand, "always slept right through - a dream child!" Siddig spoke very positively of the experience, though that film did not enjoy the critical success of Syriana (ironically, Siddig played characters named Nasir in both productions). "I'd work for Ridley again, it was such a sumptuous experience," he said. "I'd love to work for any passionate director who has a collaborative instinct and an eloquent visual vibe."

Though Siddig has played two prominent complex Muslim characters in the past year, several Arab-American actors have complained that they are seeing an increase in scripts about Muslims as vicious killers - a trend that Emmy winner Tony Shalhoub once protested by saying that he would rather tear up his Screen Actors Guild card than play an Arab terrorist. "Hollywood is supposed to exacerbate stereotypes - that's what it does for a living," noted Siddig. "Most roles, Muslim or otherwise, are stereotypical in a fashion. There are plenty of offensive-seeming women, blacks and idiotic white men on the screen...I'm not aware that there is a particular increase in scripts of that kind in the last couple of years, but it's just as likely my agent wouldn't waste the postage to send them." Siddig says that he is more interested in the fact that there is new dialogue underway, "and I'm lucky to be taking a small part in it. Arab/Western relationships will be normalised on the screen and in print way before it happens at the UN. The more people are acclimatized to 'Arabness' the less likely our politicians will be able to scare the living daylights out of us by shouting 'Islam.'"

Siddig has two upcoming projects in which he plays rather unusual roles. In The Nativity Story, which is due in theatres in December, he plays the archangel Gabriel, who appears to Mary (Keisha Castle-Hughes) to announce that she will bear a miraculous child. How does one prepare to play an angel, particularly one with such enormous literary and historical significance? "They were looking for someone to play Herod," Siddig explained. "I asked if the angel was free - they looked at a bunch of other people and then said I could do it." The role appealed to him because Gabriel exists in several religions. "I like that," Siddig said. "I'm a Muslim by birth, but humans are way more important to me than God and if God can't handle that then he should find another job."

The other oversized role Siddig played recently is Hannibal, the legendary Carthaginian leader who defeated the emerging Roman Empire. The TV movie aired on the BBC but has not yet been broadcast in the US. How does an actor identify with a military strategist whose soldiers killed nearly a hundred thousand people in the Battle of Cannae? "I killed a hundred thousand people the other day after I came back from the gym and it was fine - then there was a power cut, and I hadn't saved, and I had to do it all over again after dinner that evening," joked Siddig, who admitted to playing Everquest II on occasion. "That was exhausting. I bet Hannibal fell asleep with all his clothes still on after Cannae."

Siddig recently played Theodorus Andronikos in the film The Last Legion with Colin Firth and Ben Kingsley - an epic about the fall of the Roman Empire in which Romulus Augustus searches for supporters in distant Britain. That film is expected to be released next year, at which time the actor may be best known for giving 24's Jack Bauer yet another miserable day in and out of the office.

Syriana co-star Matt Damon may be a nice bloke, as Siddig says...but what does Siddig think about the rumors that Damon might be in line to play a young Captain Kirk in Star Trek XI? "Damon would be a great Trek captain, but I'd be a little surprised if he has agreed to do it, frankly," Siddig replied. "He's already got a decent franchise on the boil."

All right, then, what about Siddig himself? If J.J. Abrams called, would he be interested in returning to Star Trek...?

"Next question, please."

[Trek_Girl42]

Thanks for posting this Starbase!



Just saw "One Little Ship" was that ever funny- fantastic ep full of silliness.

I loved seeing O'Brian and Bashir wandering around the isoliniar chips getting lost. And that scene at the end with Odo and Quark- that was wonderfully funny, and of course just seeing the runabout zoom around inside the Defiant was great.

And interesting to see the divide in the Jem'Hadar- the "Alphas" vs. "Gammas" definitly adds an interesting new dynamic to their side of the equation.

[HirogenGater]

Given the number of film and television roles he has worked on since, Siddig is understandably reluctant to dwell on Star Trek, though he said he considers many of the cast members friends and remains impressed with the quality of its writing. "DS9 was terrific," he said. "It was talking about the issues we're all talking about now - the Maquis, the Jem'Hadar were all terrorists, Bajoran religious fanatics were assassinating people, bombing the Promenade - and all this nearly 10 years before 9/11. No other Star Trek show dealt consistently with these themes. The style of the show may not have been cutting edge but the storytelling was prescient. Of course it was a learning experience for all of us. Seven years was just enough. One more day would have been interminable and one day less, unsatisfying."


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Very interesting, I never thought about this before. There were quite a few terrorist actions on DS9.

[Missster.Freeman]

Oh noes! Siddig wears a beard in 24? Noooo... I've been spoiled. Heh. Okay, so it's not really a spoiler, but I'll need to be careful when I enter this thread as I've only seen up to series three of 24. I plan to do a bit of catchup soon.

Yeah, I remember the mirror universe Bashir had a beard, well, stubble really. There was something about it that looked a bit out of place to me. I think it was the stubble combined with the bouffant hairstyle that made him look a bit off. Siddig El Fadil does suit a full beard however. He wore a full one when he played Hannibal in that BBC Docudrama last year.

[Trek_Girl42]

Oh noes! Siddig wears a beard in 24? Noooo... I've been spoiled. Heh. Okay, so it's not really a spoiler, but I'll need to be careful when I enter this thread as I've only seen up to series three of 24. I plan to do a bit of catchup soon.

Yeah, I remember the mirror universe Bashir had a beard, well, stubble really. There was something about it that looked a bit out of place to me. I think it was the stubble combined with the bouffant hairstyle that made him look a bit off. Siddig El Fadil does suit a full beard however. He wore a full one when he played Hannibal in that BBC Docudrama last year.

No worries, his 24 beard looks great.

[Dark Falcon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_qs6BtdbY

^Here is a vid of the destruction of the Odyssey. Man,
that Jem'Hadar ship just plain SMACKED into that ship, didn't it?

[HirogenGater]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_qs6BtdbY

^Here is a vid of the destruction of the Odyssey. Man,
that Jem'Hadar ship just plain SMACKED into that ship, didn't it?

That scene still sends chills up my spine. The Federation isn't all powerful and all knowing.

[the Fifth Race]

Just saw "One Little Ship" was that ever funny- fantastic ep full of silliness.

I loved seeing O'Brian and Bashir wandering around the isoliniar chips getting lost. And that scene at the end with Odo and Quark- that was wonderfully funny, and of course just seeing the runabout zoom around inside the Defiant was great.

And interesting to see the divide in the Jem'Hadar- the "Alphas" vs. "Gammas" definitly adds an interesting new dynamic to their side of the equation.

That was a fun episodes wasn't it (I re-watched on Spike myself). I laugh quite a bit everytime I watch it. I don't really laugh because the show was laughable (although I admit that the premise certainly was). I laugh because it's a fun episode, which was the point. One Little Ship is the type of goofy entertainment that exemplifies Trek's other side.

I did find the uneasy cracks in loyalty between the "Alpha" and "Gamma" Jem'Hadar soldiers quite interesting. The new "Alpha" Jem'Hadar are a little less hard-core in their loyalties to the Dominion, and seemingly less controllable. Their loyalty seems to be to other "Alphas" first and to the Dominion second. And they don't really have much respect for the "Gammas." I had forgotten that this was the episode where the Alpha Jem'Hadar are introduced.

Thanks for posting this Starbase!

Indeed, what a great read about Siddig. That new movie about the Roman Empire with Kingsley and Colin Firth sounds wonderful. I also liked the part he talked about his time on DS9 that brother HirogenGater pointed out in.