Fire Plus Water (212)

[Cinephilic TV Addict]

1. I think Libby is a porn star or something equally weird.

It'd be really sorrowful for Hurley if Libby recognizes him as a millionaire and hits on him for the money...

[Thermonuclearboy]

I think the arrival of Ecko to the group has just thrown Locke off his game. He no longer has the monopoly on spiritual guidance. In fact, Ecko's a better advisor than he is in a lot of ways: Locke has blind irrational faith in the Island, while Ecko is a bit more rational. And Charlie, having been a good Catholic boy once upon a time, is naturally drawn more to a priest than a crazy shaman.

So I think his violent rejection of Charlie also stems from jealousy. Loss of a son-figure has made him somewhat embittered. Which is bad news for Charlie; Locke is NOT someone you want to have as an enemy. Not only is he tough, he's smart too. He'll outthink you...which is what he's been doing.

[leaper]

I was expecting to yawn through this episode *note to self, don't read any spoilerish stuff* but I found it to be one of the more interesting episodes. Charlie obviously only feels useful in life when he's the "hero", when he's 'saving' someone...the whole point of this episodes flashbacks, in my opinion, and I do wonder, if Locke hadn't have followed him, would he have fallen back into using? And Locke's over the top reaction (in my opinion), what on earth is that all about? And I agree with To'kra Hostess, why on earth did Locke keep the statues? Is he using himself? Is he using it to control others?
Regarding the Libby/Hurley thing...I hope for his sake, she didn't find out about his millions already...because, can we say throwing oneself at someone???

In so many ways, I hate this show..makes me keep watching, and thinking of more questions than answers.

[memnarch]

This was without a doubt, the worst lost episode I've seen! All the reactions seemed incongruent and unnecessary, at least in the main storyline. Though I liked the Hurley/Libby subplot, the Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Ana-Lucia rectangle is already old and it hasn't even come to fruition yet. Kate's helping Sawyer with his "excercises" was hard to watch. It really put me off. Everyone's reactions to Charlie in the episode bothered me. First of all, it's told from Charlie's point of view. That alone makes the other's reactions seem strange. On top of that though, it seems to me that they're going to kill off Charlie now! Shannon started going through stuff and no one believed her. When she died it was like, "oh, she's dead, we're sorry for the way we treated her." Now it seems like they're repeating that with Charlie. Only I like Charlie's character! Finally, all the other issues between characters have been resolved. Sayid doens't blame Ana-Lucia. Jack and Locke have come to an understanding. Everyone except Charlie! Locke's punching him three times was utterly unnecessary and out of character for Locke. He's supposed to be the one who understands, who has faith in people, but this episode he was a different person. Claire slapping Charlie I could understand, but that, no way.

Maybe I didn't "get" this episode, but I'm giving it a 1/4 because whoever wrote it must have been doing drugs themselves when they wrote it.

[MarshAngel]

But if Locke really is trying to drive a wedge between Charlie and Claire why didn't he show Clarie the Marys when they were in his pack? That would of easily of destroyed any remainding trust Clarie had in Charlie.

Maybe he's playing smart and patient. If he showed her the marys she would probably have turned against Charlie but it's much better when you see with your own eyes rather than have someone tell you that way there's not doubt left in your mind. And if Locke actively does something it may seem later on that he had an agenda.

It wasn't my favorite episode but I think it's setting up for something greater.

[wizelf]

I think that Charlie's visions and his behavior as just part of the withdrawal sympoms and flashbacks. In any event, he went cold turkey and not many of them know what's going on.

The six statues he held were intact until this show, that probalby means that he wasn't using the drugs, but he was about too after being kicked out by Kate. Locke knew that this was going to happen, if you pushed a fragile Charlie this way, he will fall for the addiciton one more. This is why he followed him and had to play the hard ass to get his attention.

I also didn't like how people were treating him, but since this is from his point of view, perhaps it was his own insecure way of seeing how others are reacting to him.

Locke is really creeping me out with his newly developed interest in Claire and the baby, so who knows what's going to happen here.

Oh and I think that Locke kept the drugs for medical use or for more sinister reasons later on. I don't think he kept them for Charlie...

[Erised]

not the best eppy ever Poor Claire!!

[howie2000slc]

Long time reader first time poster...


Libby and Hurley, i think the porn star angle is a bit too much, she is a shrink and Hurley was once in a hospital, she may have treated him. but anyway he recognised her.. so i doubt she knows about the money, and even if she does its not like he can get cash out at the Cave ATM..

[Metarock Sam]

Well that episode was interesting. Not the worst episode this season by far
(has everyone forgotten that awful Shannon episode ???).
What made it so good was the fact that Charlie wasnt using and through this it felt that us the auidence really got to know how his mind was working.
I think Locke is upto something. I dont think he would drug Charlie to get close to Claire. Its something he wouldnt do. And the punching was a bit odd.
Lets hope Charlie will regain his trust back somehow.
Hurley and Libby eh. No I dont think Libby is a Pornstar but since she was a clinical psychologist suggests that they may have met before at the mental hospital. Lets wait and see.
Charlies flashbacks were slightly pointless. But It did fit with the whole taking care of the family line but we already had seen Liam come clean and so on in previous flashbacks.
Next weeks ep looks interesting. The Others return !!!

[The Prophet]

Was it just me, or did you find that Kate defending/ helping/ sympathising with Claire quite weird? it seemed to just appear out of the blue! I don't think that they've even talked before this episode, & now they appar to be close friends!

It just seems odd, to me...

[*E*K*R*]

Was it just me, or did you find that Kate defending/ helping/ sympathising with Claire quite weird? it seemed to just appear out of the blue! I don't think that they've even talked before this episode, & now they appar to be close friends!

It just seems odd, to me...

lol, i thought that!

but you know kate... she's always looking for projects i think.