The Name of the Doctor (3314/714)

[Coco Pops]

But what do you guys say to my theorie the Hurt Doctor isn't a specific regeneration (past or future) but something diffrent, something that lys underneth his character, or something? Completly rubbish or a possibility?

I kind of like that........ But even if he's the Valeyard that doesn't mess with anything. We know the Valeyard exists. We just don't know what happened after Trial Of A Timelord. Maybe he escaped

[cosmichobo]

Not sure if it was here or GallifreyBase, but someone pointed out - the Valeyard was pure evil, whereas the HURT Doctor, from the minute bit of dialogue to date, doesn't seem to fit that image. Oh - and the fact 11 says that HURT did something to stop them calling him Doctor... Doesn't fit the Valeyard...

Of course - it could well just mean it's the Valeyard V2, re-imagined for the modern era... And I'd be ok with that. I'd MUCH rather him be revealed as the Valeyard, rather than a "missing" Doctor...

[Quizziard]

The "for peace" part seems obvious (at least, in a non-Moff universe) but "for sanity" is a little more open...

[Sealurk]

Although Moffat's probably got something ingenious prepared, for now I'm guessing the 'for sanity' part is a reference to just how nightmarish and insane the conflict had become - if what Ten said in The End of Time is anything to go by.

[Coco Pops]

Not sure if it was here or GallifreyBase, but someone pointed out - the Valeyard was pure evil, whereas the HURT Doctor, from the minute bit of dialogue to date, doesn't seem to fit that image. Oh - and the fact 11 says that HURT did something to stop them calling him Doctor... Doesn't fit the Valeyard...

Of course - it could well just mean it's the Valeyard V2, re-imagined for the modern era... And I'd be ok with that. I'd MUCH rather him be revealed as the Valeyard, rather than a "missing" Doctor...

See I don't get that. Why does a character need to be "reimagined for the modern era?"

[Quizziard]

See I don't get that. Why does a character need to be "reimagined for the modern era?"

Philosophically, rather than specifically: because they're "old-fashioned" and out of touch with modernity in one or more ways: purpose, method, manners, attitude, abilities, style, language...

Back in the 1970s there was a show about a rascist Londoner, which highlighted how stupid and self-defeating rascism was. They can't even show parts of it now, because of the changing view on rascism in the last 30 years. Doesn't stop them "re-imagining" a new version to make the same point but in a slightly different way.

[Nth Chevron]

Correct me if i am wrong, but when the Valeyard errm becomes alive i suppose, doest the TARDIS feed of' the evil deeds and change color? I vaguely remember reading something about the TARDIS becoming a black box with red light on top.

And to all the Robert Carlisle people, i am sorry, so very sorry, i love the actor aswell dont get me wrong, but, JOHN HURT AS THE DOCTOR, is easily twice as epic

If JH doesnt play the Valeyard then RC can still jump in as said evil incarnation

N.C

[Teddybrown]

Clarence and the Whipsermen.
Explains how he got the co ordinates

[stargatefan234]

Clarence and the Whipsermen.
Explains how he got the co ordinates

Also explains more who the whispermen were, "We are The Intelligence". that bit should have been in the episode!

[Greenee]

It surely should have.

[P-90_177]

If the episode had been an hour rather than 45 minutes long it surely would have been. However it does give away that the whisper are the GI a little early.

[min min light]

I think it was a bad choice to not have their mouths move - it makes them look like a cheap cartoon instead of something scary. (But overall, they just remind me too much of their Buffy brethren.)

[Coco Pops]

Actually I wanted to think the Whisper were related to The Silence. Want them back, and the mad monks

[The Flyattractor]

or the balding beer-gutted male doctor and his teenage assistant, don't think that would go down too well

We will get to see that Doctor if Colin Baker makes an app in the 50th... ( but I still like colin anyway)

Actually I wanted to think the Whisper were related to The Silence. Want them back, and the mad monks

They looked like the Faceless ones to me,but I knew that Moffat wasn't going to go there...although they kind of would of fit seeing as how the GI and Ice Warriors got to make apperances this season.

and his obese menopausal female companion.

Really? Didn't we kinda get that with Donna?

[Quizziard]

Really? Didn't we kinda get that with Donna?

And yet was one of the better companions because she was mature enough not to be fawning and falling in love, yet innocent enough in time travel to be the foil a companion provides.