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Originally posted by 4thDoctor View PostIf I were engaged and discovered that my bride to be was having a last "jaunt" she would no longer be my bride to be.
I'd rather have somebody be tempted and choose me in the end rather than someone who was unsure about being with me the whole time.sigpic
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Originally posted by Cold Fuzz View PostIn the end, she chose Rory, despite the Dream Lord's challenges. Their relationship was tested and in the end she really chose him. I think their relationship was pretty untested by advserity and fairly weak up until the Doctor came into their lives the night before the wedding.
I'd rather have somebody be tempted and choose me in the end rather than someone who was unsure about being with me the whole time.
A womans fantasy can be a strong thing.Please do me a huge favour and help me be with the love of my life.
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Originally posted by P-90_177 View PostOn top of that the Doctor had been her fairytale Prince Charming for as long as she could remember. That's a powerful thing for anyone, on top of the fact that at the end of the day the Doctor drops out of the sky to pick up young women and take them around the Universe in general. Amy could be forgiven for thinking that he wanted to have a deeper connection with her than having a new companion.
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To counter a point previously made:
Amy actually did seem to entirely forget the "last centurion" role of Rory, and his entirely self-sacrificing MO, when he was trying to help that plain looking woman with the Flesh episodes.
It's actually one of the first BIG WARNING SIGNS I had about Amy Pond as a character that went beyond simple annoyance.
"He spent 2,000 years protecting me in solitude, saving me from the Blitz and Gauls and the Welsh and time itself, accepted my love of the Doctor without a question, and was my rock when the Doctor died, doing everything from holding Amy to burning the Doctor himself, and is even smarter than me and has more initiative. I'll be DAMNED IF HE SHOWS CARE FOR ANOTHER WOMAN."
While she certainly remembers it about him when she sits back to think about it, it's hardly her first thought of him, even as recently as the God Complex where her deepest fear isn't losing Rory but losing the Doctor.
Amusement: Amy running off with the Doctor in and of itself isn't a bad thing. It's typical to get cold feet and, hey, he has a Time Machine.
However, doing it in the bed that she and Rory, probably numerous times, had sex in, after having talked to Doctor about Rory IMMEDIATELY PRIOR, is clearly gross betrayal, no matter how you slice it.
I wonder how the people defending her would feel if their own wives/husbands not only wanted a last-minute shag, but they wanted to do it in a bed they slept in, with their wedding dress/tux in view, how they'd think.
Her character in the beginning was, frankly, a fairly horrible one. She grew and became a great one over time, but trying to defend her horrible actions as some flight-of-fancy "the dreams of a woman are powerful" mumbo jumbo is a pile of manure I'm sure could be used by a farm for at least a decade.
And arguing that what many view as a "strong woman" needed a man to break her soul and her faith to make her into a stronger, more loving wife is actually a disservice to her character more than anything else. Not only is she incapable of controlling herself, as that implies, but apparently she can't even have a solid relationship with her own husband unless another man forces her into it.Last edited by jameshawking; 04 October 2011, 07:56 PM.
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To counter the point regarding her jealousy in rebel flesh, keep in mind that she never got angry at Rory. She looked concerned but she trusted Rory enough to do what he had to do be cause she knew it was in his nature to care about people that were vulnerable. The reason why she started to feel jealous is because she felt insecure. There was a new girl who looked up to Rory and saw him as a hero figure and made a point of telling him about it and Amy felt jealous that another girl had feelings for Rory, not neccesarilly because she felt there was any chance of him actually leaving her.
At no point did she pout, stamp her feet and accuse him of cheating. And the only time she actually tried to stop him was when the situation was becoming dangerous.
Jealousy can take on many forms, and it can contain may conflicting emotions. In this case Amy was happy enough that Rory was doing what he did best and taking care of people. She wasn't worried that he was going to run off with another girl or do anything to hurt their relationship, she was just jealous about the fact that there was a new girl showing Rory a personality that Amy never could, mainly because of her independance and strength.Please do me a huge favour and help me be with the love of my life.
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Right. Note to self: never mention references to Jeff again.
Regarding the episode itself, I do have one little nitpick:
Remind me again why they needed River in the suit? I mean, if River had been brainwashed at that particular moment I probably wouldn't have noticed, but River states quite explicitly that the suit is in control. So... why bother making a Time Lady to put in the suit if she's not going to be doing anything? Why bother having anyone in the suit, for that matter?
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Maybe the suit needs an occupant to work - maybe it can hijack the wearer's motor control but has little or no motive power of its own.And now it's time for one last bow, like all your other selves. Eleven's hour is over now... the clock is striking Twelve's.
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All I have to say about this episode is...
Wonderful Twist at the end... ! Well done...!
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Remind me again why they needed River in the suit?
Whomever is behind the Silence movement has almost Time-Lord level knowledge of Time and fixed points and manipulation, so it falls to reason that to prevent the fixed point being shattered and causing the death of time (6x13) Kovarian was ordered to get River to the right place at the right time, most likely it was the whole reason for the space suit in the first place.
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Originally posted by Nth Chevron View PostWhomever is behind the Silence movement has almost Time-Lord level knowledge of Time and fixed points and manipulation, so it falls to reason that to prevent the fixed point being shattered and causing the death of time (6x13) Kovarian was ordered to get River to the right place at the right time, most likely it was the whole reason for the space suit in the first place.
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